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In summary: You're supposed to use Fermat's principle of least time, which can be used to derive the law of reflection. For this exercise they want you to use calculus.In summary, the author is asking for help with a calculus problem, and suggests using Fermat's principle of least time to solve it. The author provides a sketch of the situation and explains that, in order to solve the problem, they need to find the equation of line BF. They also mention that they have forgotten something extremely simple, but they are not seeing where to go from here.
  • #36
I can expand (120-x)^2 into its polynomial and combine within the expression,
 
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  • #37
Ok, now the chain rule
 
  • #38
If I did it right
AF' is

2x/(2(7^2+X^2)^1/2)
 
  • #39
When taking the derivative of the DF expression, is it best to expand (120-X)^2 before taking the derivative?
 
  • #40
I have this now for DF'
282-2X / 2(21^2 +(120-X)^2)^1/2
 
  • #41
Then I simplify those, set them to zero and solve I believe?
 
  • #42
Could I square the fractions to eliminate the radicals?
 
  • #43
If not how should I go about simplifying what I have
 
  • #44
Currently I have this by cross multiplying out the denominators.
X•sqrt(21^2 +(120-X)^2) +
(141-X)•sqrt(7^2+X^2)=0
 
  • #45
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This is my current equation, and is what I'm attempting to simplify.

I know that my end goal is to isolate X so I can solve, but I need to eliminate those radicals, and I can't figure out how. Any ideas?
 
  • #46
ArmChairPhysicist said:
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This is my current equation, and is what I'm attempting to simplify.

I know that my end goal is to isolate X so I can solve, but I need to eliminate those radicals, and I can't figure out how. Any ideas?

Rewrite the derivative by combining the terms over the common denominator ##D = \sqrt{7^2+x^2} \sqrt{21^2+(120-x)^2}##. That will produce a numerator having the square roots in two terms. Now equate the numerator to zero, using the standard approach, which is to re-write the equation so that the two square-roots are on opposite sides; then square both sides. That gets rid of all the square roots.
 
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ArmChairPhysicist said:
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This is my current equation, and is what I'm attempting to simplify.

I know that my end goal is to isolate X so I can solve, but I need to eliminate those radicals, and I can't figure out how. Any ideas?

I would check where that '141' in the numerator came from.
 
  • #48
The 141 came from me taking the derivative of 21^2+(120-x)2

2 • 21 ^2-1 =
42

(120-x)^2 = 2(120-X)^1 correct?
 
  • #49
Then when I reduced the fractions in my equation 282-2x became 141-x unless I messed up somewhere
 
  • #50
So from this
 

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  • #51
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To this?
 
  • #52
Cancel out the denominator, then square both sides?
 
  • #53
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Which gets me this.
 
  • #54
ArmChairPhysicist said:
Well, the answer is yes, since you have done exactly what I suggested. However: please do not continually ask questions as to whether your next step is correct or not---just work it all out, from beginning to the end (or, at least, as FAR as you can). Try to develop some confidence in your own work.
 
  • #55
Now I simply solve for x?
 
  • #56
Ok thank you
 
  • #57
Thank you so much for your help and time.
 
  • #58
ArmChairPhysicist said:
The 141 came from me taking the derivative of 21^2+(120-x)2

2 • 21 ^2-1 =
42

(120-x)^2 = 2(120-X)^1 correct?

Not correct. The derivative of ##21^2## is zero. It's a constant.
 

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