Limit of f(x) as it approaches from the positive side

In summary: Can you do that?In summary, the conversation discusses the proper definition of a limit, the function g(x) and its behavior as x approaches 0, and the proof for the non-existence of a limit for g(x) as x approaches 0 from the positive side. The conversation also touches on how to solve a specific problem involving g(x) and finding a point t in (0,b) where g(t)>N for any given values of N and b.
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tomboi03
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i. Write out the proper definition for
lim f(x)
x[tex]\rightarrow[/tex]a+

ii. Let g(x)=x-1cos(x-1) Show that for every N and any b>0 there is a point t E (0,6) so that g(t)>N

iii. Prove that for g as in (ii) we don not have
lim g(x)
x[tex]\rightarrow[/tex]0+


I'm not sure what how to do any of these... like.. for the first one, i know that the definition of a limit is for every [tex]\epsilon[/tex]>0 there is some [tex]\delta[/tex] >0 such that, for all x if 0<|x-a|< [tex]\delta[/tex], then |f(x)-L| < [tex]\epsilon[/tex]
 
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  • #2
Continue with the first one. All you have to do is drop the absolute value in the delta part. Do you see why that works?
 
  • #3
I can see why you drop the absolute value sign, it then becomes x>a meaning the x's approaching from the positive side.

so what about the others?


Thanks
 
  • #4
It's time for you to help. If t is in (0,6) then as t->0, 1/t becomes very large, right? What does cos(1/t) do?
 
  • #5
wouldn't it be either 1 or 0 or -1?
 
  • #6
It oscillates between 1 and -1, yes. So as 1/t becomes very large...?
 
  • #7
does it go to zero?
 
  • #8
No, (1/t) becoming very big times something oscillating between -1 and 1, will, I think oscillate between -infintity and +inifinity. You don't agree, right?
 
  • #9
i'm not following you. please elaborate.
 
  • #10
can someone please help me out with this problem.. the person that replied to this thread never fully answered my question
 
  • #11
As Dick said earlier, it's time for you to do some work. He was trying to explain what the function did without spoonfeeding you the answer. I think he lost patience.

Go back and look at what he said. If you have specific questions, ask them and someone will help you out.
 
  • #12
I didn't lose patience (yet). But sketch a graph of the function. To help answer the given question think about the values of the function g(x) at x=1/(k*pi) where k is an integer.
 
  • #13
o i see, as it approaches zero, the graph starts to oscillate from negative infinity to positive infinity. But I'm not sure how to answer part ii?
 
  • #14
Try and answer the question I asked, what is g(1/(k*pi))?
 
  • #15
well, as k increases for g(1/k*pi)...
it is negative infinity for k=1
it is positive infinity for k=2
and etc...
 
  • #16
tomboi03 said:
well, as k increases for g(1/k*pi)...
it is negative infinity for k=1
it is positive infinity for k=2
and etc...

Why would that be? If x=1/(k*pi) what is cos(1/x)? k is an integer. It's not some kind of infinity.
 
  • #17
well, i was referring to the actual function because the actual function is x^(-1)cos(1/x) soooo, as k increases... g(1/k*pi) is negative infinity for k=1 and positive infinity for k=2... no?
 
  • #18
Negative infinity? If k=1? How does that follow? I get pi*cos(pi). That's not infinity. Express the answer in terms of k.
 
  • #19
o i see, when k=1, pi*cos(pi)

i'm sorry, i haven't gotten sleep for the passed few days...

soooo, in terms of k... it would be...
kpi*cos(kpi) right?
 
  • #20
Yes, cos(pi)=(-1), cos(2pi)=(+1) etc. You can also write that as kpi*(-1)^k. Does that help with question ii)? If that seems hard you are probably better off getting some sleep than trying to push on.
 
  • #21
it does seems hard because I don't think I understand the wording of part ii, is it saying that all the values have a lower value than N? for any point for tE(0,b)?
 
  • #22
No, it's saying that there is at least one value of t in (0,b) such that g(t)>N.
 
  • #23
soooo would this be the answer to part ii?

let's say x=1/k*pi for k is an integer
When put into the function, the function would be kpi*cos(kpi)
as k increases... the functions oscillates from being positive to negative.
This function acts exactly like... kpi*(-1)^k
When x gets closer to 0, the function starts to oscillate even more from negative infinity to positive infinity.
 
  • #24
Sure but that doesn't answer the question. They are asking if for any N>0 and b>0 you can find a t in (0,b) such that g(t)>N. Set t to be one of your k*pi values. You have to make sure that k is large enough (and even) so g(t)>N AND that k is large enough so that 1/(k*pi)<b.
 

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