Limit of x ln(a) - ln(a^x+b) for a>1, b!=0

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In summary: Please stick to summarizing the content and do not provide any more explanations or examples. Thank you.In summary, the conversation discusses how to rearrange the expression inside a limit, which involves using common logarithm rules. The final result should only have a single logarithm. The use of L'Hopital's rule is mentioned, but it can only be used in certain cases and additional algebraic manipulation may be required.
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[tex] \forall a > 1 , b \ne 0, \lim_{x\to \infty} [ x \ln (a) - \ln (a^x + b) ] = \; {?} [/tex]
 
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Use common logarithm rules to rearrange the expression inside the limit. You should end up with only the limit of a single logarithm.
 
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I think you mean rearranging the expression as:
[tex] \mathop {\lim }\limits_{x \to \infty } \ln \left( {\frac{{a^x }}{{a^x + b}}} \right) [/tex]

Hmm, how would I advance from there? An indeterminate form exists within the natural logarithm, although I'm not quite sure that would justify using L'Hopital.

Perhaps some additional algebraic manipulation is required?
 
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You can then divide both numerator and denominator within the natural logarithm by ax, something like:
[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \ln \left( \frac{a ^ x}{a ^ x + b} \right) = \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \ln \left( \frac{\frac{a ^ x}{a ^ x}}{\frac{a ^ x + b}{a ^ x}} \right) = \lim_{x \rightarrow \infty} \ln \left( \frac{1}{1 + \frac{b}{a ^ x}} \right)[/tex].
Can you go from here?
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L'Hopital's rule can be use to solve [itex]\frac{0}{0}[/itex], or [itex]\frac{\infty}{\infty}[/itex] form. It states:
[tex]\lim_{x \rightarrow \alpha} \frac{f(x)}{g(x)} = \lim_{x \rightarrow \alpha} \frac{f'(x)}{g'(x)}[/tex].
Note that it can only be used when f(x), and g(x) both tend to 0 or infinity.
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FAQ: Limit of x ln(a) - ln(a^x+b) for a>1, b!=0

What is the limit of x ln(a) - ln(a^x+b) as x approaches infinity?

The limit of x ln(a) - ln(a^x+b) as x approaches infinity is ln(a) - ln(a^∞+b), which simplifies to ln(a) - ln(b). This can be further simplified to ln(a/b), which is the final limit.

Can the limit of x ln(a) - ln(a^x+b) be evaluated when a is less than or equal to 1?

No, the limit of x ln(a) - ln(a^x+b) cannot be evaluated when a is less than or equal to 1. This is because the logarithm of a non-positive number is undefined.

How does the value of b affect the limit of x ln(a) - ln(a^x+b)?

The value of b does not affect the limit of x ln(a) - ln(a^x+b) as x approaches infinity. This is because as x gets larger and larger, the value of b becomes insignificant in comparison to a^x. Therefore, the limit only depends on the value of a.

Is there a specific value for a where the limit of x ln(a) - ln(a^x+b) is undefined?

Yes, the limit of x ln(a) - ln(a^x+b) is undefined when a is equal to 0. This is because the logarithm of 0 is undefined.

Can the limit of x ln(a) - ln(a^x+b) be evaluated using L'Hopital's rule?

No, L'Hopital's rule cannot be used to evaluate the limit of x ln(a) - ln(a^x+b). This is because the limit is not in an indeterminate form, and therefore, the rule does not apply.

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