Linear Algebra Proof: Prove if Rational Solutions Exist

In summary, the conversation discusses the proof that a system with rational coefficients and constants has at least one all-rational solution if it has a solution. It also addresses whether a system with infinitely many solutions also has infinitely many all-rational solutions. The conversation suggests starting with a simple example, such as one equation in two unknowns with rational coefficients, and considering why it has rational solutions. It is ultimately determined that at least one of the infinite number of solutions in such a system must be rational.
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Homework Statement



Prove that if a system with rational coeffcients and constants has a solution then it has at least one all-rational solution. If such as system has infinitely many solutions, will it also have infinitely many all-rational solutions ?


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So I'm taking this Linear Algebra course and I've never had such a hard time answering what appear to be very simple questions (and I had no issues with calc 1 / calc 2!). I understand that in linear algebra there is either one solution, no solutions, or infinitely many solutions. These are the only three possible outcomes. Where do I go from there? I would greatly appreciate any help/guidance.
 
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Generally the way to start thinking about problems like this is to pick a simple example and think about it. Take one equation in two unknowns, like r1*x+r2*y=r3 where r1, r2, and r3 are rational. That generally has an infinite number of solutions. Can you say why it has rational solutions?
 
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so start with Ax =b, with A a matrix & b a vector, each with rational components what can you say if the system has a solution?
 
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Dick said:
Generally the way to start thinking about problems like this is to pick a simple example and think about it. Take one equation in two unknowns, like r1*x+r2*y=r3 where r1, r2, and r3 are rational. That generally has an infinite number of solutions. Can you say why it has rational solutions?

Because the solutions have to equal a rational number?
 
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dmitriylm said:
Because the solutions have to equal a rational number?

Well, no! They don't HAVE to be rational. If x=sqrt(2) the solution isn't rational, is it? The question just asks if there IS a rational solution. You should keep thinking about this.
 
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Dick said:
Well, no! They don't HAVE to be rational. If x=sqrt(2) the solution isn't rational, is it? The question just asks if there IS a rational solution. You should keep thinking about this.

Is it because with an equation with an infinite number of solutions, at least one of those solutions must be a rational number?
 
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dmitriylm said:
Is it because with an equation with an infinite number of solutions, at least one of those solutions must be a rational number?

Not just any equations. You have to figure out what kind of equations you get from solving the system with rational coefficients. Then SHOW it has a rational solution. Not just say it does.
 

FAQ: Linear Algebra Proof: Prove if Rational Solutions Exist

What is linear algebra?

Linear algebra is a branch of mathematics that deals with linear equations and their representations in vector spaces. It involves the study of operations on vectors and matrices, and how they can be used to solve problems involving systems of linear equations.

What are rational solutions?

Rational solutions are solutions to a linear equation that can be expressed as a ratio of two integers. In other words, they are numbers that can be written as a fraction where the numerator and denominator are both integers.

How do you prove the existence of rational solutions in linear algebra?

To prove the existence of rational solutions, we can use the Fundamental Theorem of Arithmetic which states that every integer can be uniquely expressed as a product of prime numbers. This allows us to manipulate the coefficients and constants in a linear equation to find rational solutions.

What is the importance of proving the existence of rational solutions in linear algebra?

Proving the existence of rational solutions in linear algebra is important because it allows us to solve real-world problems that involve systems of linear equations. It also provides a deeper understanding of the fundamental concepts of linear algebra and their applications in various fields such as physics, engineering, and economics.

Are there any limitations to proving the existence of rational solutions in linear algebra?

Yes, there are some limitations to proving the existence of rational solutions in linear algebra. For example, the use of irrational numbers or complex numbers in a linear equation can make it impossible to find rational solutions. Additionally, the process of finding rational solutions can become very complex and time-consuming for equations with a large number of variables.

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