Linear algebra question (span?)

In summary, the conversation discusses how to determine if a vector b is in the span of the columns of a matrix A and how to justify the answer in terms of the system Ax=b and its consistency. It also explores the possibility of a subset of A being in the span and how to determine this.
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ckp
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How would i go about telling if vector b (4 row, 1 column) is in the span of the columns of matrix A(4 row, 5 column)?

im just not sure what is asking, i know it would be an easy question if i knew what they meant by this.
 
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  • #2
Same question reformulated: does the system Ax=b have a solution.
 
  • #3
so would it not have a solution because there are 4 eq and 5 unknowns? also how would i justify in terms of span that there is no solution? (as opposed to just saying because there are 4 eq and 5 unknowns)
 
  • #4
Do you know the actual matrix A and the vector b? Form the augmented matrix [A|b] and row reduce to see if the system is consistent or not.
 
  • #5
Is this possible with A being 4rows x 5 columns and b 4 rows 1 column?
 
  • #6
Maybe yes:

1 0 0 0 0 | 1
0 1 2 0 0 | 1
0 0 0 1 0 | 1
0 0 0 0 1 | 1

Maybe not:

1 0 0 0 0 | 1
0 1 2 0 0 | 1
0 0 0 1 0 | 1
0 0 0 0 0 | 1

Depends on A and b
 
  • #7
So, say it is consistent. Then what do I do? (rr took a long time and numbers are rather large)
 
  • #8
If the system Ax=b is consistent, then the answer is "yes, b is in the span of the columns of A."
 
  • #9
now, what if it is asked if a sub n is in the span of A (A consists of {a sub 1,...,a sub n})
 
  • #10
ckp said:
now, what if it is asked if a sub n is in the span of A (A consists of {a sub 1,...,a sub n})

Are you asking this: "is the rightmost column of A in the span of the columns of A?"

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FAQ: Linear algebra question (span?)

What is linear algebra?

Linear algebra is a branch of mathematics that deals with the study of linear equations and their representations in vector spaces.

What is a span in linear algebra?

A span in linear algebra refers to the set of all possible linear combinations of a given set of vectors. It represents all the points that can be reached by scaling and adding the original vectors.

How is span related to linear independence?

A set of vectors is linearly independent if none of the vectors in the set can be written as a linear combination of the others. The span of a set of linearly independent vectors is the vector space they generate.

Why is span important in linear algebra?

Span is important in linear algebra because it allows us to define and visualize vector spaces, which are essential for understanding many mathematical concepts such as linear transformations, eigenvalues and eigenvectors, and matrix operations.

How do you find the span of a set of vectors?

To find the span of a set of vectors, you can use the Gaussian elimination method to reduce the vectors to a matrix in reduced row-echelon form. The columns containing pivot elements in the reduced matrix will form a basis for the span of the original set of vectors.

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