Looking for a Quote from The Old Testament

[NateTG]

I wonder. With all the Christians in America among other places, why is it that their book translation seems stuck in this kind of unreadable, archaic English?

<CYNCISM>So that people can misinterpret it liberally<CYNICISM>
There's some blather about various translations of the bible being the most this or the most that. Translations like the "Good News Bible" which are designed for accessibility are in more modern English. Of course, since these are translations, and hence imperfect, interpretation issues always color things.

 

[honestrosewater]

What is your defination of honor by the way, as in "honor thy father and thy mother." Just curious.
-Scott

I don't have a single definition of honor; it can mean different things depending on the context. Why does it matter? What if my definition of honor was rape?

Which verse are you talking about -- telling husbands to honor their wives? This was the only one I found:

1 Peter 3:7
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7Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.


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7Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.


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7(A)You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with (B)someone weaker, since she is a woman; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life, so that your prayers will not be hindered.

Cross references:

1. 1 Peter 3:7 : Eph 5:25; Col 3:19
2. 1 Peter 3:7 : 1 Thess 4:4



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7In the same way, you husbands must give honor to your wives. Treat her with understanding as you live together. She may be weaker than you are, but she is your equal partner in God's gift of new life. If you don't treat her as you should, your prayers will not be heard.




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7In the same way, husbands should understand and respect their wives, because women are weaker than men. Remember, both husband and wife are to share together the gift of life that lasts forever. If this is not done, you will find it hard to pray.

I'm not sure what exactly honor means here. Since it gives as a reason or motivation that women are weaker, perhaps it means to not abuse or take advantage of them or that they require extra patience because of their inferiority. Perhaps it means something similar to what PETA might mean if they issued a statement saying that we should honor animals.

I don't think its use here is the same as in the Commandments. I think I was taught that the honor you owe to your parents included obedience. (Consider that the punishment for being a disobedient son was stoning.) A husband disobeying his wife isn't even possible since a wife has no authority over her husband.

 

[Entropy]

On second thought, I take that back. I don't want to have anything to do with this thread.

 

[scott_alexsk]

I can't believe I didn't see this before. Dooga, or whatever your name is, you cannot even compare the God of the old testiment to Stalin, which is represented by Napolean, in Animal Farm, in any way. The problem is Stalin was a sciopath looking out for his own interests, he did not even care who he killed or supressed. He had no loyalities and neither did Napolean in the book. You can say all you want about oppression, but fundamentally both are very different. The God of the old testiment at least has loyalities to those who make a covenant with him. Stalin did not care about anyone, and if you know anything about Stalin you will know what I mean. Stalin did not descriminate, he killed anyone just for the sake of instilling terror and solidifiying his power. I have no idea how you can compare the two and how I missed this before.
-Scott

 

[Xenophon]

I got to say, this is one really awesome thread. Talk about controversial. Anyway, I don't understand how getting a quote for how God is oppressive turned into how women are oppressed (depite reading the posts). I'm going to agree with Scott and say you shouldn't compare God to Napolean, merely from personal beliefs. If you have to, well... I can see both sides of the argument. In one theory, you could say that God is Napolean, the dogs are an over aggressive church and the other animals are the common people. I personally disagree with this theory and it doesn't mention the farmers, but your teachers might be impressed and give you a good grade (even if you didn't have a quote, bit I'm sure you can find something).
-Xenophon
(Can we close this thread? It's getting pretty pointless.)

 

[Xenophon]

Im not even going to jump into the women's arguement, unless asked.