Looking for more accurate energy-momentum transformations for photons

In summary: I see, how do you show that its equal for a spherical wavefront, or any shape for that matterSee post #10.@IbixEinstein seems to be saying that the plane wave approximation is a good one for a certain range of distances, but that there is a more accurate transformation that is not a plane wave.Einstein seems to be saying that the plane wave approximation is a good one for a certain range of distances, but that there is a more accurate transformation that is not a plane wave.
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tade said:
hi, after using Ibix/Sienna's method, we get ##f'=γ(1-βcosθ)f##, which is supposed to match the frequency/energy relations right?

Well, that is the frequency-transformation formula you obtain, but if you want to use it to show that light's energy transforms the same way then you need to invoke the Planck–Einstein relation for photons. It's "cheating" in a sense, and not entirely satisfying, but it's not "wrong," and it's not entirely ahistorical actually (Einstein's paper on the photoelectric effect was published a bit before his paper on special relativity, though it would take several years before the Planck–Einstein relation was widely accepted).

It's a bit trickier to show that a classical light wave's energy transforms in that way. You need to transform the appropriate electromagnetic energy density ("appropriate" means that ##\mathbf{E} \perp \mathbf{B}## and ##E = B##), and then you need to multiply the result by the transformation of the appropriate volume (what "appropriate" means here is rather subtle, and I'm still grappling with what Einstein's doing there at the beginning of §8 of his SR paper).
 
<H2>1. What are energy-momentum transformations for photons?</H2><p>Energy-momentum transformations for photons are mathematical equations used to describe the relationship between the energy and momentum of a photon. These transformations are based on the principles of special relativity and help to explain the behavior of photons in different reference frames.</p><H2>2. Why do we need more accurate energy-momentum transformations for photons?</H2><p>The current energy-momentum transformations for photons, known as the Lorentz transformations, are based on the assumption that photons have no mass. However, recent research has shown that photons may have a very small mass, which could affect their energy and momentum. Therefore, more accurate transformations are needed to better understand the behavior of photons.</p><H2>3. How do scientists determine the accuracy of energy-momentum transformations for photons?</H2><p>Scientists use experimental data, such as measurements of the energy and momentum of photons, to test the accuracy of energy-momentum transformations. By comparing the predictions of the transformations to the actual measurements, scientists can determine how well the transformations describe the behavior of photons.</p><H2>4. What are some potential applications of more accurate energy-momentum transformations for photons?</H2><p>More accurate energy-momentum transformations for photons could have practical applications in fields such as optics, telecommunications, and astrophysics. These transformations could help improve the design and performance of optical devices, enhance the efficiency of data transmission, and aid in the study of astronomical phenomena involving photons.</p><H2>5. Are there any challenges in developing more accurate energy-momentum transformations for photons?</H2><p>Yes, there are several challenges in developing more accurate energy-momentum transformations for photons. One major challenge is the difficulty in measuring the energy and momentum of photons with high precision. Additionally, the concept of mass for photons is still not fully understood, which makes it challenging to incorporate into the transformations. Furthermore, any new transformations must also be consistent with the principles of special relativity and other established laws of physics.</p>

FAQ: Looking for more accurate energy-momentum transformations for photons

1. What are energy-momentum transformations for photons?

Energy-momentum transformations for photons are mathematical equations used to describe the relationship between the energy and momentum of a photon. These transformations are based on the principles of special relativity and help to explain the behavior of photons in different reference frames.

2. Why do we need more accurate energy-momentum transformations for photons?

The current energy-momentum transformations for photons, known as the Lorentz transformations, are based on the assumption that photons have no mass. However, recent research has shown that photons may have a very small mass, which could affect their energy and momentum. Therefore, more accurate transformations are needed to better understand the behavior of photons.

3. How do scientists determine the accuracy of energy-momentum transformations for photons?

Scientists use experimental data, such as measurements of the energy and momentum of photons, to test the accuracy of energy-momentum transformations. By comparing the predictions of the transformations to the actual measurements, scientists can determine how well the transformations describe the behavior of photons.

4. What are some potential applications of more accurate energy-momentum transformations for photons?

More accurate energy-momentum transformations for photons could have practical applications in fields such as optics, telecommunications, and astrophysics. These transformations could help improve the design and performance of optical devices, enhance the efficiency of data transmission, and aid in the study of astronomical phenomena involving photons.

5. Are there any challenges in developing more accurate energy-momentum transformations for photons?

Yes, there are several challenges in developing more accurate energy-momentum transformations for photons. One major challenge is the difficulty in measuring the energy and momentum of photons with high precision. Additionally, the concept of mass for photons is still not fully understood, which makes it challenging to incorporate into the transformations. Furthermore, any new transformations must also be consistent with the principles of special relativity and other established laws of physics.

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