Magnetic Field of a Bent Wire: Point A & B Analysis

In summary, the magnetic field at point b is zero due to the opposing fields created by the current flowing in the two wires.
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stunner5000pt
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a long wire is bent into a hairpin as showqn in the figure. If the wire carries a current of i = 1.5A
a) what is the magnitude and the direction of B as point a?
b) at point b very far from a?
assume R = 5.2mm

a) for a
since R is constant s = 2 pi R
[tex] B = \frac{\mu_{0} i}{2R} [/tex] and this field points straight out of the page.

b) for b the magnetic field is zero because the circular part has no effect on B. Also you have two wires carrying opposiute currents, thus creating equal and opposing fields thus the magnetic field is zero at B.
 

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For part (a), I'm afraid the question may be a little more complicated. You will be looking at the Biot-Savart law.

In part (b), use the right hand rule. Do the fields cancel? If the current i is fluctuating, the magnetic field will fluctuate as well. Fluctuating magnetic fields introduce EMF. Why do you think wire pairs are usually twisted, and called twisted pairs as in CAT5 ethernet cables?
 
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ok for the first part if I am using biot savart
[tex] B =\frac{\mu_{0} i}{4 \pi} \int \frac{ds \cross r}{r^3} [/tex] then what is ds?
here ds seems to be infinitely long and the angle between ds and r varies from 180 to 90 and then from 90 to 180
then how would one find the relation between ds and theta?
 
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also i is constant in the second part so there would be no emf created

we haven't gotten to that part of the chapter yet so I am thinking that would not be a factor here

ok due to the top part of the wire the field points upward
for the bottom part upward as well
so the field would be [tex] B = \frac{\mu_{0} i}{\pi R} [/tex] ?
 
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ds is your constant of integration of course. It is a differential element of your wire.

The correct form of the law is in fact.

[tex] B = \frac{\mu_o I}{4\pi}\int \frac{dl \times \vec{r}}{r^3}[/tex]

If we want to solve without the use of vector calculus, we can simplify by deciding on the direction and working only with magnitudes. We can see that if the current and vector r is on the x-y plane, then the magnetic field must always be in the z or k direction. We can then write

[tex] B = \frac{\mu_o I}{4\pi}\int \frac{dl sin\theta}{r^2}[/tex]
 
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stunner5000pt said:
also i is constant in the second part so there would be no emf created
we haven't gotten to that part of the chapter yet so I am thinking that would not be a factor here
My example earlier was merely to show that the B field is indeed not zero. It is very real and also a problem in telecommunication systems.

ok due to the top part of the wire the field points upward
for the bottom part upward as well
so the field would be [tex] B = \frac{\mu_{0} i}{\pi R} [/tex] ?

Yes, if you assume the infinite wire approximation where Ampere's law holds.
 
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mezarashi said:
ds is your constant of integration of course. It is a differential element of your wire.

The correct form of the law is in fact.

[tex] B = \frac{\mu_o I}{4\pi}\int \frac{dl \times \vec{r}}{r^3}[/tex]

If we want to solve without the use of vector calculus, we can simplify by deciding on the direction and working only with magnitudes. We can see that if the current and vector r is on the x-y plane, then the magnetic field must always be in the z or k direction. We can then write

[tex] B = \frac{\mu_o I}{4\pi}\int \frac{dl sin\theta}{r^2}[/tex]

ok i get this so far
but isn't dl infinite? also doesn't theta vary?
 
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stunner5000pt said:
ok i get this so far
but isn't dl infinite? also doesn't theta vary?

You need to apply your calculus. You cannot integrate unless your variable of integration is the same of that of the other variables present in the function. You have two choices, convert [tex]sin\theta[/tex] into terms of length [tex] l [/tex] or perform a change variables [tex]dl \longrightarrow d\theta[/tex]. You will find that doing the latter will lead to a much much easier integral.
 
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not sure how a change of variables would be used here...
i will attempt to find theta in terms of l
i use the attached diagram but perhaps i may not be doing this right
 

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Change of variables starts by creating a relationship

[tex] tan \theta = \frac{d}{-l}[/tex]
[tex] l = - d cot \theta [/tex]
[tex] dl = d csc^2 \theta d\theta [/tex]

Then your integral reduces to

[tex] B = \frac{\mu_o I}{4\pi}\int sin\theta d\theta[/tex]
 
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i see how that's done
you got a -l becuase of your refernce system
and theta varies from 180 to 90 and then 90 to 180 again

then the magnetic field would be [tex] \frac{\mu_{0} i}{2 \pi} [/tex]
forh te semi cicular part of the loop
[tex] \frac{\mu_{0} i}{4R} [/tex]
adding these two yields the magnetic field at a
 
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one thing...
the magneticfield due to the top wire is integrated from theta = 180 to theta = 90
for the bottom one it is integrated from 90 to 180
when i subtract the two i get
[tex] \frac{\mu_{0} i }{2 \pi} [/tex]


for the semio circular part the field is [tex] \frac{\mu_{0} i}{4R} [/tex]
so the field at a is [tex] \frac{\mu_{0} i }{2 \pi} + \frac{\mu_{0} i}{4R} [/tex]

is this correct/
 
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FAQ: Magnetic Field of a Bent Wire: Point A & B Analysis

What is a magnetic field?

A magnetic field is an invisible force that surrounds a magnet or current-carrying wire. It is responsible for the attraction and repulsion between magnets and the deflection of moving charged particles.

How is a magnetic field created?

A magnetic field is created by the movement of electric charges. In the case of a bent wire, the current flowing through the wire creates a magnetic field.

What is the direction of the magnetic field at point A and B?

At point A, the magnetic field is directed into the page, perpendicular to the direction of the current flow. At point B, the magnetic field is directed out of the page, also perpendicular to the current flow.

How does the strength of the magnetic field change along the bent wire?

The strength of the magnetic field decreases as you move away from the wire. It is strongest at the points closest to the wire, such as point A and B, and becomes weaker as you move further away.

What factors affect the strength of the magnetic field in a bent wire?

The strength of the magnetic field is affected by the amount of current flowing through the wire, the distance from the wire, and the shape and orientation of the wire. It is also influenced by the magnetic properties of the materials surrounding the wire.

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