B Magnetic force driving a small iron ball

AI Thread Summary
To calculate the force exerted by a solenoid's magnetic field on a small iron ball, one must consider the magnetic susceptibility of the iron and the distance from the coil's center, as these factors significantly influence the force. The magnetic field strength (in Tesla) can be related to the force through the concept of magnetic energy density, which involves integrating the pressure exerted on the ball's surface due to the magnetic field. The force can be approximated using the formula F = (B^2 / (2μ₀)) * A, where B is the magnetic field strength, μ₀ is the permeability of free space, and A is the area of the ball's surface. It's crucial to account for the angle between the magnetic field and the surface of the ball to accurately determine the force's direction. Overall, a detailed understanding of magnetic principles and the specific characteristics of the materials involved is necessary for precise calculations.
Elementrist
Messages
2
Reaction score
0
How can I calculate the force from magnetic field of a solenoid, grabbing a small iron ball?
I want to use the good old simple F=ma formula in order to calculate the ball's acceleration.
But can't find a formula to somehow convert the known field quality (in unit Tesla) to Force (in unit Newton).

These are known:
  • The magnetic field of the solenoid in mT at the point where ball is placed initially.
  • The magnetic field of the solenoid in mT at exactly the center of the coil.
  • The inductance of the coil and its DC resistance.
  • the mass of the iron ball.
  • Initial speed of the ball (which is zero)
I found some formulas related to magnetic fields and force, searching for these keywords, but they contain q (electric charge) and B (flux) and other vector qualities I know nothing about or seem irrelevant to my question.

Please help me with this calculation, or at least guide me by giving me words I can search for.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Physics news on Phys.org
Those equations that "seem irrelevant"? Those are exactly the ones you need.

Think about it this way: in an ideal solenoid where the field is constant everywhere, which way does the ball move?
 
I know it moves toward the point with the most flux intensity. (Or field intensity, which ever the right terminology is).
The problem is the force that forces that movement, is not known to me.
There are formulas that measure that force for a moving charge (q) but not for a solid stationary iron mass.

I asked this question on another forum and someone said it's not easy to calculate, since it's related to magnetic susceptibility of iron and also the distance from coil center (where the field or flux(?) is the strongest) is an important factor to consider.
 
Elementrist said:
I know it moves toward the point with the most flux intensity. (Or field intensity, which ever the right terminology is).
The problem is the force that forces that movement, is not known to me.
There are formulas that measure that force for a moving charge (q) but not for a solid stationary iron mass.

I asked this question on another forum and someone said it's not easy to calculate, since it's related to magnetic susceptibility of iron and also the distance from coil center (where the field or flux(?) is the strongest) is an important factor to consider.
You can calculate the axial B field outside the solenoid using Biot-Savart. This ignores the distortion of B due to the iron unfortunately, so assume a strong solenoid B field and a small ball!

You then need to make a simplification: susceptibility of the iron is infinite. This is a very good assumption for iron or other high-permeability material.

Principle: There is "suction" pressure at every point along the surface of the ball. This pressure is equal to the magnetic energy density at each point (can be derived from virtual work principle). Thus, the "suction" force at each differential area dA everywhere along the ball is ## F = BH/2~ dA##.

However, this force is everywhere normal to the surface so B has to be the component of B normal to the surface, and the force itself is also of course normal. I'm thinking the normal component of B could be ## B cos(\theta) ## with ## \theta ## the angle between the normal and B which is assumed axial with the solenoid.

You then would need to do some amount of integration.
 
Last edited:
Elementrist said:
How can I calculate the force from magnetic field of a solenoid, grabbing a small iron ball?
Small compared to what?? It matters.
 
Consider an extremely long and perfectly calibrated scale. A car with a mass of 1000 kg is placed on it, and the scale registers this weight accurately. Now, suppose the car begins to move, reaching very high speeds. Neglecting air resistance and rolling friction, if the car attains, for example, a velocity of 500 km/h, will the scale still indicate a weight corresponding to 1000 kg, or will the measured value decrease as a result of the motion? In a second scenario, imagine a person with a...
Scalar and vector potentials in Coulomb gauge Assume Coulomb gauge so that $$\nabla \cdot \mathbf{A}=0.\tag{1}$$ The scalar potential ##\phi## is described by Poisson's equation $$\nabla^2 \phi = -\frac{\rho}{\varepsilon_0}\tag{2}$$ which has the instantaneous general solution given by $$\phi(\mathbf{r},t)=\frac{1}{4\pi\varepsilon_0}\int \frac{\rho(\mathbf{r}',t)}{|\mathbf{r}-\mathbf{r}'|}d^3r'.\tag{3}$$ In Coulomb gauge the vector potential ##\mathbf{A}## is given by...
Dear all, in an encounter of an infamous claim by Gerlich and Tscheuschner that the Greenhouse effect is inconsistent with the 2nd law of thermodynamics I came to a simple thought experiment which I wanted to share with you to check my understanding and brush up my knowledge. The thought experiment I tried to calculate through is as follows. I have a sphere (1) with radius ##r##, acting like a black body at a temperature of exactly ##T_1 = 500 K##. With Stefan-Boltzmann you can calculate...
Back
Top