Material/Fluid derivative operator questions

In summary, the material derivative is a derivative that follows a volume of fluid throughout its movement through a fluid. It is derived from the chain rule and the v in the equation represents the velocity field of the fluid at each point in space. The partial time derivative (\frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial t}}) represents the time variation of the property of interest at a fixed point in space. The rate of change 'following the fluid' (\frac{{Df}}{{Dt}}) is derived using the chain rule and the gradient operator.
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The above link shows the material derivative. Which is the derivative that follows a volume of fluid throughout its movement through a fluid. How is this derived from a chain rule? Is the v in that equation the velocity field of the fluid at each point throughout space? Do you act on the position of some arbitrary fluid volume with this operator? Thanks ahead of time.
 
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Suppose you have a property of interest, say density.

This property varies in both space and time so f(ρ) = f(x,y,z,t).

We have to consider what we mean by the partial time derivative [itex]\frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial t}}[/itex]

This means the time variation of ρ at a fixed point in space (x,y,z t) since we hold x,y,z constant to take the partial derivative with respect to t.

If we want toconsider 'following' a parcel of fluid then we use the rate of change 'following the fluid' [itex]\frac{{Df}}{{Dt}}[/itex]

This is derived as follows.


[tex]\frac{{Df}}{{Dt}} = \frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial x}}\frac{{dx}}{{dt}} + \frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial y}}\frac{{dy}}{{dt}} + \frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial z}}\frac{{dz}}{{dt}} + \frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial t}} = \frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial t}} + u\frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial x}} + v\frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial y}} + w\frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial z}} = \frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial t}} + (u.\nabla )f[/tex]

Does this help?
 
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Studiot said:
Suppose you have a property of interest, say density.

This property varies in both space and time so f(ρ) = f(x,y,z,t).

We have to consider what we mean by the partial time derivative [itex]\frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial t}}[/itex]

This means the time variation of ρ at a fixed point in space (x,y,z t) since we hold x,y,z constant to take the partial derivative with respect to t.

If we want toconsider 'following' a parcel of fluid then we use the rate of change 'following the fluid' [itex]\frac{{Df}}{{Dt}}[/itex]

This is derived as follows.


[tex]\frac{{Df}}{{Dt}} = \frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial x}}\frac{{dx}}{{dt}} + \frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial y}}\frac{{dy}}{{dt}} + \frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial z}}\frac{{dz}}{{dt}} + \frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial t}} = \frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial t}} + u\frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial x}} + v\frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial y}} + w\frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial z}} = \frac{{\partial f}}{{\partial t}} + (u.\nabla )f[/tex]

Does this help?

Thanks for the response. So you are saying that some function of a specific property we are interested in is a function of (x,y,z,t). "f(ρ) = f(x,y,z,t)". I would say that ρ=f(x,y,z,t), but I guess it is more general to state it as you did. Is this correct?
 

FAQ: Material/Fluid derivative operator questions

1. What is the Material/Fluid derivative operator?

The Material/Fluid derivative operator is a mathematical tool used to describe the rate of change of a quantity in a moving fluid or material. It takes into account the convective and local changes of the quantity at a specific point in the fluid or material.

2. How is the Material/Fluid derivative operator different from the ordinary derivative?

The ordinary derivative describes the change of a quantity with respect to time or another variable at a fixed point, while the Material/Fluid derivative takes into account the movement of the fluid or material and how it affects the quantity at that point.

3. What are some common applications of the Material/Fluid derivative operator?

The Material/Fluid derivative operator is commonly used in fluid dynamics, meteorology, and geophysics to describe the behavior of fluids and materials in motion. It is also used in engineering and physics to analyze systems that involve fluid or material movement.

4. Can the Material/Fluid derivative operator be applied to both liquids and gases?

Yes, the Material/Fluid derivative operator can be applied to both liquids and gases as they both exhibit fluid-like behavior. However, the equations and assumptions used may differ depending on the physical properties of the specific fluid being studied.

5. What are the limitations of the Material/Fluid derivative operator?

The Material/Fluid derivative operator assumes the fluid or material being studied is continuous and homogeneous, which may not always be the case in real-world situations. It also does not take into account other factors such as turbulence, viscosity, and compressibility, which may significantly affect the behavior of the fluid or material.

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