Undergrad Matrix Representations of the Poincare Group

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The discussion focuses on understanding the generators of the Poincaré group, which consists of 10 generators: 6 Lorentz generators for rotations and boosts, and 4 generators for translations in ℝ1,3. The Lorentz generators are well-documented, but the explicit forms of the translation generators are less commonly found in literature. It is suggested that the translation generators can be derived by exponentiating the translation matrices for ℝ1,3. However, it is clarified that the matrices presented represent 1-parameter groups rather than the generators themselves, which can be obtained by taking derivatives at zero. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly identifying and representing the mathematical structures involved.
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I'm trying to 'see' what the generators of the Poincare Group are. From what I understand, it has 10 generators. 6 are the Lorentz generators for rotations/boosts, and 4 correspond to translations in ℝ1,3 since PoincareGroup = ℝ1,3 ⋊ SO(1,3).

The 6 Lorentz generators are easy enough to find in the literature. They are:
lorentz generators.PNG

I cannot find the ℝ1,3 generators explicitly stated anywhere. My naive guess is that since the other four generators correspond to translations in ℝ1,3, we get the other 4 generators by exponentiating the 4 translation matrices for ℝ1,3.

translations.png


Is that correct?
 
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To get the Poincare group you need to take a semidirect product with the translation group. This means that you get a 5-dimensional representation by 5x5 matrices ##\pmatrix{A & t \cr 0 & 1}##, where ##A## is a Lorentz transformation and ##t## a translation vector. The relevant orbit of this matrix action is the set of 5D vectors
##\pmatrix{x \cr 1}##, where ##x## is a point in Minkowski space.
 
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Thanks Prof. Neumaier, so would the generators then be the six rotations/boosts

$$
R_x = \begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & cos \theta & -sin \theta & 0\\
0 & 0 & sin \theta & cos \theta & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix}

~
R_y = \begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & cos\theta & 0 & sin\theta & 0\\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 & 0\\
0 & -sin\theta & 0 & cos\theta & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix}

~
R_z =
\begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & cos\theta & -sin\theta & 0 & 0\\
0 & sin\theta & cos\theta & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix}

$$
$$

B_x =
\begin{pmatrix}
cosh \theta & sinh \theta & 0 & 0 & 0\\
sinh \theta & cosh \theta & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix}

~
B_y = \begin{pmatrix}
cosh \theta & 0 & sinh \theta & 0 & 0\\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
sinh \theta & 0 & cosh \theta & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix}

~
B_z = \begin{pmatrix}
cosh \theta & 0 & 0 & sinh \theta & 0\\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 & 0\\
sinh \theta & 0 & 0 & cosh \theta & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix}

$$

Plus the four the translations represented like this?

$$ T_t = \begin{pmatrix}1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & -c t\\ 0 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 0\\ 0 & 0 & 1 & 0 & 0\\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 1 & 0\\ 0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 1\end{pmatrix}

T_x = \begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0 & x\\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix}
~
T_y = \begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 & y\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix}
~
T_z = \begin{pmatrix}
1 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 1 & 0 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 1 & z\\
0 & 0 & 0 & 0 & 1
\end{pmatrix}

$$
 
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cuallito said:
would the generators then be the six rotations/boosts
Plus the four the translations represented like this?
Generators have no free parameters left but each of your matrices contains such a parameter.

What you wrote down is not describing generators but the 1-parameter groups they are generating. Taking the derivatives at zero gives the generators.
 
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Thanks professor, like a true scientist, I'm always happy to know when I'm wrong 👍🤪👍
 
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