Max Angle for Ladder Leaning on Wall

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In summary, the conversation discusses a ladder with mass M leaning against a frictionless wall. The maximum angle the ladder can make with the vertical before it starts to slide is found by computing atan(2*0.4), which is approximately 38.7 degrees. The discussion also involves moments, horizontal and vertical forces, and the coefficient of static friction between the floor and the ladder. The conversation ends with a compliment on the detailed information provided.
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There is a ladder with mass M that is leaning against a frictionless wall. The coefficient of static friction between the floor and the ladder is say 0.4. What is the max angle that the ladder can make with the vertical before it starts to slide? *the axis of rotation is at the ladder's contact with the floor*
 
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Let ladder be at angle θ to vertical.
Let (horizontal) force from wall be H.
By moments about foot of ladder, 2H.cos(θ) = M.sin(θ).
Force from floor has horizontal component H, vertical component M.
If coefft friction is λ, max H = λ.M, at which point tan(θ) = 2.λ.
 
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haruspex said:
Let ladder be at angle θ to vertical.
Let (horizontal) force from wall be H.
By moments about foot of ladder, 2H.cos(θ) = M.sin(θ).
Force from floor has horizontal component H, vertical component M.
If coefft friction is λ, max H = λ.M, at which point tan(θ) = 2.λ.

what did you get as an answer?
 
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is this homework?
 
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no its not
 
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ramly said:
what did you get as an answer?

You're asking me to compute atan(2*0.4) for you? OK: 0.67 radians, or 38.7 degrees.
(Note: that's the angle to the vertical.)
 
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haruspex said:
Let ladder be at angle θ to vertical.
Let (horizontal) force from wall be H.
By moments about foot of ladder, 2H.cos(θ) = M.sin(θ).
Force from floor has horizontal component H, vertical component M.
If coefft friction is λ, max H = λ.M, at which point tan(θ) = 2.λ.
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Very detailed info.You made some good points there.thank for give us a good answer.
 

Related to Max Angle for Ladder Leaning on Wall

What is the maximum angle for a ladder leaning on a wall?

The maximum angle for a ladder leaning on a wall is typically around 75 degrees.

Why is it important to know the maximum angle for a ladder leaning on a wall?

Knowing the maximum angle for a ladder leaning on a wall is important for safety purposes. If the angle is too steep, the ladder may become unstable and cause accidents.

What factors determine the maximum angle for a ladder leaning on a wall?

The maximum angle for a ladder leaning on a wall is determined by the ladder's length, height of the wall, and the weight being placed on the ladder.

Can the maximum angle for a ladder leaning on a wall vary?

Yes, the maximum angle for a ladder leaning on a wall can vary depending on the type and quality of the ladder, as well as environmental factors such as weather conditions.

What precautions should be taken when using a ladder at the maximum angle?

When using a ladder at the maximum angle, it is important to have someone hold the base of the ladder for added stability. It is also recommended to have the ladder securely fastened to the wall or have a spotter at the top of the ladder for added support.

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