Maxwells equation and Doppler Shift.

In summary, the conversation discusses the relationship between Maxwell's equations and energy/photons in a doppler shift problem. It is explained that in Maxwell's equations, E and H fields propagate at the velocity of light, and when radiation is reflected off a moving mirror, the frequency and power of the reflected light decreases. This is due to the momentum transfer from the photons to the mirror, but it is also noted that this calculation may be oversimplified and does not take into account the weight of the mirror. Therefore, while the reflected wave may have a lower frequency, the amplitude does not change.
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I am trying to grasp how Maxwell's equations and energy/photons are related in a doppler shift problem.
The way I stated it seems to have attracted non-serious hecklers; so I am trying to restate the problem for people who know Maxwell's equations and are familiar with engineering.

In Maxwell's equations, there are E & H fields which propagate at velocity=c as the the change in the E field generates a H field and vice versa.

When radiation is incident on a perfect conductor (or appropriately designed dielectric reflector) 100% reflection of the energy occurs. For example, a perfect mirror or polished superconductor bolted down to a table -- and a laser bouncing off that mirror.

If one allows the mirror to move -- say, in an attachment to a crooks tube radiometer -- the reflected light drops in frequency and power. The drop in power is related to the acceleration of the mirror which receives 2x the momentum of the energy striking it.

Maxwell predicted that -- the momentum transfer being power/area * area * time / c; eg: p= E/c

In my EE class, we worked problems of maxwell's TEM waves normally incident on a reflector by setting the boundary conditions such that the E field is zero inside the conductor/mirror, and assuming plane waves that meet the boundary condition.

The reflected wave has the same amplitude as the incident wave -- so we know that all the energy is reflected.

However; when the same technique is applied blindly to a moving mirror (with constant velocity non-relatavistic speed) the reflected wave frequency drops -- but the amplitude does not.

Why?
 
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I see your point. Although the photons seemingly lose Energy according to [tex]W=h\nu[/tex] the classic definition of energy for a normal wave would be [tex]W=E^2[/tex] and the amplitude does not change.

The reason why your calculation must be too naive is this: when you only account for the transferred momentum to the mirror, you completely disregard the weight. Actually you are saying that the weight is infinite since you assume is is at constant velocity, so the momentum transfer doesn't effect it.
For this reason and because [tex]W=\frac{p^2}{2m}[/tex] the mirror cannot receive energy.
So your calculation seems to be correct, if you do not accelerate the mirror, because it is too heavy, then the light wave will not lose energy, even though the photons have a lower frequency.
To kill the follow up question: So do we have more photons now? Yes we do.
 
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The Doppler shift in frequency is a result of the relative motion between the source of the radiation and the observer. In the case of a moving mirror, the reflected wave experiences a change in frequency due to the change in the relative motion between the mirror and the observer. This is in accordance with the Doppler effect, which predicts a change in frequency based on the relative velocity between the source and the observer.

Maxwell's equations describe the behavior of electromagnetic fields, including the propagation of light. In the case of a moving mirror, the incident wave is reflected by the mirror, which is essentially an imperfect conductor. The imperfections in the mirror's surface cause some of the energy to be absorbed, leading to a decrease in the reflected wave's amplitude.

The decrease in amplitude can be explained by the conservation of energy and momentum. As you mentioned, the mirror receives twice the momentum of the incident wave due to its acceleration. This leads to a decrease in the reflected wave's amplitude, as some of the energy is transferred to the mirror.

In summary, the relationship between Maxwell's equations and the Doppler shift in a moving mirror problem is that the equations describe the propagation and behavior of electromagnetic waves, while the Doppler effect explains the change in frequency observed due to the relative motion between the source and observer. The decrease in amplitude of the reflected wave can be understood through the conservation of energy and momentum.
 

FAQ: Maxwells equation and Doppler Shift.

1. What is the significance of Maxwell's equations in physics?

Maxwell's equations are a set of four fundamental equations that describe the behavior of electric and magnetic fields. They are significant because they explain how these fields interact with each other and with charged particles, leading to many important phenomena in electromagnetism, including light and radio waves.

2. How do Maxwell's equations relate to electromagnetic waves?

Maxwell's equations predict the existence and behavior of electromagnetic waves, which are disturbances in the electric and magnetic fields that travel through space at the speed of light. These waves are responsible for all forms of electromagnetic radiation, including visible light, radio waves, and X-rays.

3. What is the Doppler effect and how does it relate to light?

The Doppler effect is the change in frequency of a wave as the source of the wave moves closer to or further away from an observer. This effect is observed in all types of waves, including light. As a source of light moves towards an observer, the frequency of the light increases, resulting in a blue shift. Conversely, as a source of light moves away from an observer, the frequency decreases, resulting in a red shift.

4. How is the Doppler effect used in astronomy?

The Doppler effect is used in astronomy to determine the motion of celestial objects, such as stars and galaxies. By measuring the red or blue shift of light from these objects, astronomers can determine their velocity and direction of motion. This information can provide insights into the structure and movement of the universe.

5. Can Maxwell's equations and the Doppler effect be applied to other types of waves?

Yes, Maxwell's equations and the Doppler effect can be applied to all types of waves, including sound waves and water waves. In the case of sound waves, the Doppler effect is responsible for the change in pitch of a siren as it passes by. In water waves, the Doppler effect can be observed as the waves approach or recede from the shore.

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