Mitigating Frost for Cooling 100+ kg of Air/sec to Subzero Temps

In summary, the SABRE engine, currently being developed by a company in Oxfordshire, England, is a single stage to orbit, experimental hybrid air-breathing/LOX rocket engine with a rather fascinating heat exchanger that pre-cools the air before entering the combustor. What fascinated me the most about this heat exchanger is that it will employ something absurd like 1400 kilometers of millimeter diameter inconel tubing that's with a wall thickness on the order of tens of microns. This precooler apparently cools well over a hundred kilograms of air every second up to Mach 5. The papers I have read are deliberately vague on exactly how they were able to mitigate the frost accumulation during this cooling. I'm
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The SABRE engine, currently being developed by a company in Oxfordshire, England, is a single stage to orbit, experimental hybrid air-breathing/LOX rocket engine with a rather fascinating heat exchanger that pre-cools the air before entering the combustor. What fascinated me the most about this heat exchanger is that it will employ something absurd like 1400 kilometers of millimeter diameter inconel tubing that's with a wall thickness on the order of tens of microns.

This precooler apparently cools well over a hundred kilograms of air every second up to Mach 5. The papers I have read are deliberately vague on exactly how they were able to mitigate the frost accumulation during this cooling. I'm sure it's a company secret. But, like much proprietary information, the answer is not necessarily something that hasn't been speculated before.

For more information, go to http://www.reactionengines.co.uk/pdf_documents.html and specifically read the article titled "Heat exchanger development at REL." I have a general idea of how this engine is put together, and what the different heat exchangers do. However, I do not have nearly as firm of a grasp on thermodynamics, in general, as some other people on these forums might have.

If you were to try come up with a way of mitigating frost for cooling 100 kilograms of air to subzero temperatures every second, what methods would you try to keep the frost from forming?
 
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I can't answer the question, but there this might be interesting. Includes what is claimed to be an exclusive video of the cooler test program, but not much technical detail. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17864782

Even if it works technically, making it failsafe could be an "interesting" engineering challenge.
 
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I noticed their return temperature on the He was fairly high, so I looks to be a counter-flow heat exchanger.
It gets physically larger as the gas gets cooler. I wonder what that's about? Slower air velocity / greater heat exchanger efficiency?
As to moisture, I can't see it not being somewhat of an issue at lower altitudes. Upper altitudes, it will fall below the dew point...
I suspect most of the ice would form in micro-crystalline solids in the center of each tube's airstream leaving the residual moisture on the walls to be dealt with. Perhaps this is handled with surface conditioning and the shear forces of the passing gas?

- Mike
 
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Neither did I find details about their heat exchanger, which obviously is a company's secret, since this is the difficult part of the program that prevented it run previously elsewhere.

I vaguely imagined the heat exchanger would let the tubes run nearly parallel to the air flow so frost would skid away with pipe in- and outlets put on the same unexposed face of the tubes, and a big hole at the rear would let air flow out with the frost.

Once air is cooled to 120K for instance, it's free of moisture and CO2, so they can carry on to liquefaction.

As for the tubes, I suggested for other uses to make some of nickel, not inconel, since electrolytic nickel is commonly produced with 8µm thickness:
http://saposjoint.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=2051#p23419
This bizarre idea can have puzzled some people. In the US, a lab made a light material by using light beams to define the mould in PMMA to be covered with nickel.
 
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I find the development of the SABRE engine and its heat exchanger technology to be incredibly exciting and innovative. The use of inconel tubing with such small dimensions to cool large amounts of air at high speeds is impressive.

In terms of mitigating frost accumulation, there are a few potential methods that could be effective. One approach could be to use a coating on the tubing that helps prevent frost formation, such as a hydrophobic or anti-icing coating. Another possibility could be to incorporate a heating element within the tubing to keep the temperature above freezing and prevent frost from forming. Additionally, controlling the humidity and moisture levels of the incoming air could also help reduce frost formation.

Another potential solution could be to use a liquid coolant, such as liquid nitrogen, to rapidly cool the air and prevent frost from forming. This could also increase the efficiency of the heat exchanger by providing a more efficient heat transfer medium.

Another factor to consider is the design of the heat exchanger itself. By optimizing the flow patterns and surface characteristics, it may be possible to reduce the likelihood of frost formation. Computational fluid dynamics (CFD) simulations could be used to model and optimize the design for maximum efficiency and minimal frost accumulation.

Overall, mitigating frost accumulation in this type of heat exchanger will likely require a combination of approaches and may require further experimentation and testing to determine the most effective solution. I am interested to see how this challenge is addressed by the developers of the SABRE engine and how it will contribute to the advancement of aerospace technology.
 

FAQ: Mitigating Frost for Cooling 100+ kg of Air/sec to Subzero Temps

What is the purpose of mitigating frost for cooling air?

The purpose of mitigating frost for cooling air is to prevent the formation of frost on the cooling equipment and ensure that the air is cooled efficiently. Frost can reduce the effectiveness of cooling systems and cause damage to the equipment.

What methods are commonly used to mitigate frost for cooling air?

Some common methods used to mitigate frost for cooling air include using anti-frost coatings on the cooling equipment, implementing defrost cycles, and using dehumidification techniques to reduce moisture in the air.

What are the challenges of mitigating frost for cooling air?

One of the main challenges of mitigating frost for cooling air is balancing the need for efficient cooling with the potential for frost formation. Another challenge is determining the most effective and cost-efficient methods for mitigating frost in specific environments and conditions.

How does temperature affect frost formation in cooling systems?

Temperature plays a crucial role in the formation of frost in cooling systems. When the temperature drops below freezing, water vapor in the air can condense and freeze on the cooling equipment, causing frost. Lower temperatures also increase the risk of frost formation.

Are there any environmental considerations when mitigating frost for cooling air?

Yes, there are several environmental considerations to keep in mind when mitigating frost for cooling air. These include the potential for energy consumption and emissions from cooling equipment, as well as the use of environmentally-friendly methods and materials for mitigating frost.

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