Momentum conservation for EM-Field/matter interaction

In summary, the conversation discusses a paradox in the Feynman Lectures that involves unequal action and reaction between two orthogonally moving charges. The explanation for this paradox is given in Chapter 27, citing field momentum. The plan to prove this rigorously involves calculating the E and B fields for each particle, obtaining the Poynting vector and integrating it to get the total field momentum. However, the integration step is complex and the interpretation of the quantity S/c2 as momentum density is questioned. The conversation also touches on the tangibility of S as mechanical pressure due to EM radiation.
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Hello,
I'm reading Feynman Lectures Vol II, and saw this "paradox" in section 26-2 (Figure 26-6), where two orthogonally moving charges can be shown to have unequal action and reactions. Later in Chapter 27, the explanation was given briefly citing field momentum.

I tried to prove this rigorously, but couldn't do so, below is my plan:
1. calculate the E and B field for each particle using formula for uniform-velocity charges and obtain E1,B1, E2, B2 as function of (x, y, z, t)
2. For any point in space, using superposition of fields, we can get E=E1+E2, and B=B1+B2
3. Obtain the Poynting vector ExB, thus the momentum density vector g as a function of (x, y, z, t)
4. Integrate g(x, y, z, t) over the whole space to get the total field momentum p at time t.
5. take the time derivative of p, and verify that this equals the difference between the action and reaction of the two charges.

The integration step is very complicated. I even simplified so one particle is taken to be at rest and the other particle moves straight to the first one. In this simplified case, the integration can be infinity since that the E field at distance-0 is infinity.

Is my plan at least reasonable (i.e., it's just a hard integration)? Another observation is that although E or B fields are additive from two charges, the momentum vector from two charges' fields is definitely not additive, am I understanding it correctly?

Thanks for any pointers.
 
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In full generality it's helpful to consider a charge density ##\rho(\mathbf{r},t)##. In the case of two particles you can of course specialise this to ##\rho(\mathbf{r},t) = q_1\delta(\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_1(t)) + q_2\delta(\mathbf{r} - \mathbf{r}_2(t))##. The Lorentz force per unit volume ##f_i = \rho E_i + \rho \epsilon_{ijk} v_j B_k## is related to the divergence ##\partial_j \sigma_{ij}## of the Maxwell stress tensor by the equation ## f_i = \partial_j \sigma_{ij} - \frac{1}{c^2} \partial_t S_i## (derivable from Maxwell's equations & the Lorentz force law). If you integrate this over some domain ##V## and invoke Gauss' theorem, you end up with\begin{align*}
-\frac{d}{dt} \int_V \frac{1}{c^2} S_i dV &= F_i - \int_{\partial V} \sigma_{ij} n_j dS \\
-\dot{p}_i^{\mathrm{field}} &= \dot{p}_i^{\mathrm{particles}} - \int_{\partial V} \sigma_{ij} n_j dS
\end{align*}and one identifies the rate of decrease of field momentum ##p_i^{\mathrm{field}} = \frac{1}{c^2} S_i ## with the rate of increase of the momentum ##p_i^{\mathrm{particles}}## of the charge inside ##V## and the momentum flux ##- \int_{\partial V} \sigma_{ij} n_j dS ## out of through the boundary.
 
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Thanks so much, this is very clear. In fact, FLP has dropped the hint when talking about momentum density without giving the derivation. I was able to derive the exact form based on your hint.

I guess my plan would have worked but the integration is too complex to evaluate, and the fact I was planning to integrate over the whole space should account for the momentum flux term in your post above (which should evaluate to zero at infinity).

There is also this question of "how real" is the quantity ##\mathbf{S}/c^2## as momentum density. They are just algebraic terms being interpreted as field momentum density to make equations work. It's plausible to rearrange the terms to get another equivalent equation which can be interpreted differently. If we treat ##\mathbf{S}/c^2## as momentum density, this would mean that the momenta of the two fields cannot be additive point-wise, which seems counter intuitive.
 
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euphoricrhino said:
There is also this question of "how real" is the quantity S/c2 as momentum density. They are just algebraic terms being interpreted as field momentum density to make equations work.
Well, if you want to calculate the mechanical pressure on a surface due to the EM radiation, then S (its time average...) it's a pretty tangible thing... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiation_pressure)
 
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FAQ: Momentum conservation for EM-Field/matter interaction

What is momentum conservation in EM-field/matter interaction?

Momentum conservation is a fundamental principle in physics that states that the total momentum of a closed system remains constant. In the context of EM-field/matter interaction, it means that the total momentum of the electromagnetic field and the matter involved in the interaction will remain constant.

Why is momentum conservation important in EM-field/matter interaction?

Momentum conservation is important in EM-field/matter interaction because it helps us understand and predict the behavior of the system. It allows us to determine the direction and magnitude of the momentum of the particles involved in the interaction, and how it will change as a result of the interaction.

How is momentum conserved in EM-field/matter interaction?

Momentum conservation in EM-field/matter interaction is achieved through the exchange of momentum between the electromagnetic field and the matter. As the electromagnetic field exerts a force on the matter, the matter will experience a change in momentum, while the electromagnetic field will experience an equal and opposite change in momentum.

Are there any exceptions to momentum conservation in EM-field/matter interaction?

There are no exceptions to momentum conservation in EM-field/matter interaction. As long as the system is closed, the total momentum will remain constant. However, in certain cases, it may seem like momentum is not conserved due to external forces or factors that are not taken into account.

How does momentum conservation relate to energy conservation in EM-field/matter interaction?

Momentum conservation and energy conservation are closely related in EM-field/matter interaction. In a closed system, the total energy and momentum will remain constant. This means that as the momentum is exchanged between the electromagnetic field and the matter, the total energy of the system will also remain constant.

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