Mossbauer Effect & Photon/Gravity: How it Verifies Energy MGH

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The discussion centers on the use of the Mössbauer effect to verify the gravitational frequency shift of photons, as described in a textbook. When a photon falls through a gravitational field, its frequency increases due to energy mgh, which can be measured using a specially tuned absorber. The setup involves a photon source emitting vertically downwards, with an absorber that must be moved at a precise speed to achieve peak absorption, compensating for the gravitational frequency shift. This allows for the calculation of the frequency shift caused by gravity based on the Doppler effect. The conversation highlights the complexities of measuring energy changes in photons within a gravitational context, emphasizing the role of the measuring apparatus.
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i read in my textbook that if a photon falls through gravity, the energy mgh manifests in an increase in frequency and that this result was verified using mossbauer effect.
my question is how can mossbauer effect be used to verify this?
 
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Consider a setup that consist of a source that emits photon vertically downwards and a photon counter that receives the photons. Just before the photons reach the counter, they go through an absorber tuned via the Mossbauer effect to the frequency of photons when they were emitted. Consequently, peak aborption by the absorber occurs for this frequency - for any other frequency, less absorption occurs. Now, at the bottom where the absorber is, the photons have a different frequency, so peak absorption does not occur unless the absorber is moved with a speed that introduces a Doppler (red) shift that exactly compensates for the frequency (blue) shift caused by the gravitational field.

The speed of the absorber is adjusted until the counter reads a minimum, i.e., the absorber has peak absorption. The speed is known, which allows the Doppler frequency shift to be calculated, which allows the frequency shift caused by gravity to calculated.

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George
 
i didnt quite understand the 'absorber tuned via mossbauer effect' idea.
 
sruthisupriya said:
i didnt quite understand the 'absorber tuned via mossbauer effect' idea.
Hi,

The whole effect is explained fairly nicely here:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/relativ/gratim.html

In the experiment designd by Pound and Rebka, the receiver was put in the elevator and was moved at a precalculated speed. As Greg Jones (see above) is telling you, unless the receiver moved at the precalculated speed the receiver (absorber) will "see" less than peak absorbtion.
 
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sruthisupriya said:
i read in my textbook that if a photon falls through gravity, the energy mgh manifests in an increase in frequency and that this result was verified using mossbauer effect.
my question is how can mossbauer effect be used to verify this?
Note that in GR there is no force acting on the photon and therefore there is no exchange of energy, potential or otherwise.

So the change of the measurement of the energy state of the photon in gravitational red shift may be as much to do with the change of state of the apparatus measuring it as a change in the photon.

Garth
 
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