Movement of protons between orbital bands in the nucleus

[SLSPS]

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What would happen if the protons started to have orbital movements with energy gain and loss, changing orbital bands, at the same time as the electrons?

What would happen if the protons started to have orbital movements with energy gain and loss, changing orbital bands, at the same time as the electrons?

 

[BvU]

All kinds of things. What is this about ?

 

[PeterDonis]

orbital movements

Orbital movements where?

changing orbital bands

What orbital bands?

 

[SLSPS]

All kinds of things. What is this about ?

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All kinds of things. What is this about ?

About changing permitted to prohibited bands. The valence and conduction bands. What I really wanted to know was whether the proton could play the role of the electron in that sense. If it would be possible.

 

[Frabjous]

I am sort of guessing at what you are asking.
Protons are bound to the nucleus by the strong nuclear force. Electrons are bound to the atom by electromagnetic forces. So no.
There are holes which are a positive charge carrying quasiparticle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_hole

 

[SLSPS]

GOT IT. EVEN THINKING ABOUT A CRAZY HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION: IMAGINE AN ATOM IN WHICH WHO WOULD BE ATTACHED TO THE NUCLEUS WOULD BE THE ELECTRON AND WHO WOULD BE ORBITING ARE THE PROTONS. COULD ALL PHENOMENA OF CHANGING ORBITS THROUGH GAIN OR LOSS OF ENERGY, OR EVEN THE "ELECTRIC" PHOTO EFFECT OCCUR IN PROTON?

 

[Frabjous]

GOT IT. EVEN THINKING ABOUT A CRAZY HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION: IMAGINE AN ATOM IN WHICH WHO WOULD BE ATTACHED TO THE NUCLEUS WOULD BE THE ELECTRON AND WHO WOULD BE ORBITING ARE THE PROTONS. COULD ALL PHENOMENA OF CHANGING ORBITS THROUGH GAIN OR LOSS OF ENERGY, OR EVEN THE "ELECTRIC" PHOTO EFFECT OCCUR IN PROTON?

Electrons do not feel the strong nuclear force so you could not create a nucleus.

 

[berkeman]

GOT IT. EVEN THINKING ABOUT A CRAZY HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION: IMAGINE AN ATOM IN WHICH WHO WOULD BE ATTACHED TO THE NUCLEUS WOULD BE THE ELECTRON AND WHO WOULD BE ORBITING ARE THE PROTONS. COULD ALL PHENOMENA OF CHANGING ORBITS THROUGH GAIN OR LOSS OF ENERGY, OR EVEN THE "ELECTRIC" PHOTO EFFECT OCCUR IN PROTON?

Please do not post in all capital letters in discussion forums like PF. It is considered yelling -- check your "Caps Lock" key status and turn it off.

 

[PeterDonis]

About changing permitted to prohibited bands. The valence and conduction bands.

What valence and conduction bands are you talking about? Protons are in the nucleus. There are no valence and conduction bands in the nucleus.

 

[PeterDonis]

@SLSPS your crazy hypothetical situation that you put in all caps is impossible. Protons are 1836 times as massive as electrons. That's why electrons move about in things like metals and do chemical bonding and protons don't.

 

[SLSPS]

thank you my friend

 

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