My problem with time-dependent Schrodinger equation

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David A. B. Miller's book titled 'Quantum Mechanics for Scientists and Engineers' has an incocsistency
Section 3.3 titled 'Solutions of the time-dependent Schrödinger equation' states in its 1st line that the time-dependent solution is not an eigenvalue equation:

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The same section ends with a comment on eigenstates:

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How do you reconcile this: are solutions to the time-dependent equation eigenvalue solutions or not?
 
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wirefree said:
are solutions to the time-dependent equation eigenvalue solutions or not?
They are not.
The book is saying that the time-independent Schrodinger equation is an eigenvalue equation: We are solving for functions ##\psi(x)## that satisfy ##\hat{H}\psi=E\psi## where ##E## is a constant.

The time-dependent Schrodinger equation is a differential equation: We are solving for functions ##\psi(x,t)## that satisfy ##\hat{H}\psi=\hat{E}\psi## where ##\hat{E}## is the operator ##\hat{E}=i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial t}##.

The connection between the two is that if ##\psi(x)## is a eigenfunction solution of the time-independent equation with eigenvalue ##E##, then ##\psi(x,t)=\psi(x)e^{iEt/\hbar}## is a solution of the time-dependent equation.
 
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Nugatory said:
The connection between the two is that if ##\psi(x)## is a eigenfunction solution of the time-independent equation with eigenvalue ##E##, then ##\psi(x,t)=\psi(x)e^{iEt/\hbar}## is a solution of the time-dependent equation.
The operator E in the time-dependent version, as well as the operator H in the time-independent version, is a differential operator: former of time, and latter of space.
So, they both clearly result in differential equations.

The question becomes: what makes one an eigenvalue problem?

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wirefree said:
The question becomes: what makes one an eigenvalue problem?
The eigenvalue problem for a given operator is finding the vectors that are mapped to a scalar multiple of themselves by that operator. So the time-independent Schrodinger equation is an eigenvalue equation because ##E## is a scalar.
 
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Nugatory said:
The eigenvalue problem for a given operator is finding the vectors that are mapped to a scalar multiple of themselves by that operator.
That is indeed the definition of an eigenvalue problem.

Why does one type of differential equation lead to such a situation, while the other doesn't?
 
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wirefree said:
That is indeed the definition of an eigenvalue problem.

Why does one type of differential equation lead to such a situation, while the other doesn't?
The "value" in eigenvalue refers to a number. Like the ##\lambda## in ##M\vec v = \lambda \vec v##. This linear algebra extends to function spaces, where the matrix (##M##) becomes an operator, as in ##\hat T \psi(x) = \lambda \psi(x)##.

The TDSE is of the form: ##\frac {\partial} {\partial t} \psi(x, t) = \hat T \psi(x, t)##. This is not an eigenvalue problem, but a more general operator equation. The technique of separation of variables, however, reduces the problem to an eigenvalue problem in the spatial variable.
 
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wirefree said:
are solutions to the time-dependent equation eigenvalue solutions or not?
Some solutions of time-dependent Schrodinger equation may in fact be eigenvalue solutions of time-independent Schrodinger equation as well, if you allow such an informality as to substitute ##\Psi(r,t)## into an equation which normally expects ##\psi(r)##.

Others are not, but may be expressed as linear combinations of those solutions which are eigenvalues (in the sense I discussed in the above paragraph).

PS: I like QMSE book of Miller and IMO he is a great teacher.
 
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