My problem with time-dependent Schrodinger equation

In summary, the article critiques the time-dependent Schrödinger equation, highlighting its limitations in accurately describing quantum systems. It explores issues such as the equation's reliance on idealized conditions, its implications for understanding quantum measurements, and the challenges it poses in reconciling with classical mechanics. The author argues for the need to develop alternative frameworks or interpretations that better capture the complexities of quantum phenomena.
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David A. B. Miller's book titled 'Quantum Mechanics for Scientists and Engineers' has an incocsistency
Section 3.3 titled 'Solutions of the time-dependent Schrödinger equation' states in its 1st line that the time-dependent solution is not an eigenvalue equation:

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The same section ends with a comment on eigenstates:

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How do you reconcile this: are solutions to the time-dependent equation eigenvalue solutions or not?
 
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wirefree said:
are solutions to the time-dependent equation eigenvalue solutions or not?
They are not.
The book is saying that the time-independent Schrodinger equation is an eigenvalue equation: We are solving for functions ##\psi(x)## that satisfy ##\hat{H}\psi=E\psi## where ##E## is a constant.

The time-dependent Schrodinger equation is a differential equation: We are solving for functions ##\psi(x,t)## that satisfy ##\hat{H}\psi=\hat{E}\psi## where ##\hat{E}## is the operator ##\hat{E}=i\hbar\frac{\partial}{\partial t}##.

The connection between the two is that if ##\psi(x)## is a eigenfunction solution of the time-independent equation with eigenvalue ##E##, then ##\psi(x,t)=\psi(x)e^{iEt/\hbar}## is a solution of the time-dependent equation.
 
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Nugatory said:
The connection between the two is that if ##\psi(x)## is a eigenfunction solution of the time-independent equation with eigenvalue ##E##, then ##\psi(x,t)=\psi(x)e^{iEt/\hbar}## is a solution of the time-dependent equation.
The operator E in the time-dependent version, as well as the operator H in the time-independent version, is a differential operator: former of time, and latter of space.
So, they both clearly result in differential equations.

The question becomes: what makes one an eigenvalue problem?

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wirefree said:
The question becomes: what makes one an eigenvalue problem?
The eigenvalue problem for a given operator is finding the vectors that are mapped to a scalar multiple of themselves by that operator. So the time-independent Schrodinger equation is an eigenvalue equation because ##E## is a scalar.
 
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Nugatory said:
The eigenvalue problem for a given operator is finding the vectors that are mapped to a scalar multiple of themselves by that operator.
That is indeed the definition of an eigenvalue problem.

Why does one type of differential equation lead to such a situation, while the other doesn't?
 
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wirefree said:
That is indeed the definition of an eigenvalue problem.

Why does one type of differential equation lead to such a situation, while the other doesn't?
The "value" in eigenvalue refers to a number. Like the ##\lambda## in ##M\vec v = \lambda \vec v##. This linear algebra extends to function spaces, where the matrix (##M##) becomes an operator, as in ##\hat T \psi(x) = \lambda \psi(x)##.

The TDSE is of the form: ##\frac {\partial} {\partial t} \psi(x, t) = \hat T \psi(x, t)##. This is not an eigenvalue problem, but a more general operator equation. The technique of separation of variables, however, reduces the problem to an eigenvalue problem in the spatial variable.
 
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wirefree said:
are solutions to the time-dependent equation eigenvalue solutions or not?
Some solutions of time-dependent Schrodinger equation may in fact be eigenvalue solutions of time-independent Schrodinger equation as well, if you allow such an informality as to substitute ##\Psi(r,t)## into an equation which normally expects ##\psi(r)##.

Others are not, but may be expressed as linear combinations of those solutions which are eigenvalues (in the sense I discussed in the above paragraph).

PS: I like QMSE book of Miller and IMO he is a great teacher.
 
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