Need help proving MoI is negligible

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In summary, the speaker conducted an experiment to determine the spring constant of a torsion spring, but in their calculations they assumed that the inertia of the spring and axis were negligibly small. They now need to prove this claim in their lab report, but are unsure of how to do so without disassembling the entire apparatus. They are considering using their data for the equation of motion without the masses to calculate the actual inertia, but are concerned about the circularity of this approach. The other person suggests estimating the dimensions and density of the shaft to demonstrate its negligible contribution to the moment of inertia.
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I did an experiment to measure the spring constant of a torsion spring (lab set-up pictured here:
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I have no problems calculating anything, but in the calculations, we assumed the inertia of the spring and axis to be negligibly small and it worked nicely. In the lab report I need to be able to prove this claim but I have no idea how to do it without taking the entire apparatus apart and measuring everything, which I'm not allowed to do anyways.

How do I go about proving that only the masses (2, 3, and 4 in the picture) provide non-negligible contributions to the moment of inertia of the system?

In case it helps, the total inertia calculated is:
[itex]\frac{1}{12}(M_{rod}L^{2}+M_{cyl}[6r_{o}^2+6r_{i}^2+2h^2+24d^2][/itex]
 
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My current idea is to use our data for the equation of motion of this thing without the masses so ONLY that negligible inertia is there and use our calculated spring constant and angular frequency to calculate what the inertia actually is. But using something we calculated by ignoring inertia to calculate the ignored inertia seems circular to me.
 
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You should be able to show the MOI of the shaft is negligible by estimating its dimensions and density. You don't need to calculate it to 6 decimal places just to show it doesn't matter.

For the torsion spring, I guess the outer end is fixed so it doesn't rotate.
 

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1. What is MoI and why is it important in science?

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