Newton 2nd law of a fish in an elevator

In summary, the conversation discusses the concept of finding the tension on a spring scale when weighing an object in an elevator that is accelerating. The equation T = mg + ma is used, and the book presents it in the form T = mg (a/g + 1) to demonstrate the relationship between tension, acceleration, and gravity. The idea is to consider different values for acceleration to see if the resulting tension makes physical sense.
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Homework Statement


A person weighs a fish of mass m on a spring scale atached to the ceiling of an elevator.
(a) Show that if the elevator accelerates either up or down, the spring scale gives a reading different from the weight of the fish.


Homework Equations



[tex]\Sigma[/tex]Fy=T-Fg=may

Where T is the tension of the scale acting opposite to that of gravity, Fg

Fg=mg

The Attempt at a Solution


I figure that I needed to solve for the tension in terms of the acceleration of the elevator and accelleration due to gravity.

I found T= may+Fg

But the book gave me an equation of this form:

T=mg+ma=mg([tex]\frac{a}{g}[/tex]+1)

I don't understand where they got the a divided by g + 1 factor from. Any clues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Joe
 
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Start from

T = mg + ma

Factor out on the right side mg.

What do you get?
 
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When the texts rewrite an equation like this, they are usually trying to make the ideas easier to understand. If a = 0 then T = mg If a = g then T = 2mg and so on... so the larger a gets in the +y direction, the greater the tension, which makes sense. If a = -9.8 (down), then T would be equal to zero and the object is in free fall.

So essentially the text is saying try out different accelerations, a, and when you do, does this make physical sense.
 
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FAQ: Newton 2nd law of a fish in an elevator

1. How does Newton's 2nd law apply to a fish in an elevator?

Newton's 2nd law states that the acceleration of an object is directly proportional to the net force acting on it and inversely proportional to its mass. This means that the fish in the elevator will experience a change in its motion when there is a net force acting on it, such as the elevator moving up or down.

2. What is the net force acting on the fish in an elevator?

The net force acting on the fish in an elevator is the sum of all the forces acting on it. In this case, it would be the force of gravity pulling the fish down and the force of the elevator moving up or down, depending on the direction of its motion.

3. How does the mass of the fish affect its acceleration in the elevator?

According to Newton's 2nd law, the mass of the fish will affect its acceleration in the elevator. A heavier fish will experience a smaller acceleration compared to a lighter fish when subjected to the same net force.

4. How does the direction of the elevator's motion affect the fish's acceleration?

The direction of the elevator's motion will determine the direction of the net force acting on the fish. If the elevator is moving up, the fish will experience an upward acceleration. If the elevator is moving down, the fish will experience a downward acceleration.

5. What happens to the fish's acceleration if the elevator's speed changes?

If the elevator's speed changes, the acceleration of the fish will also change. If the elevator speeds up, the fish will experience a greater acceleration, and if the elevator slows down, the fish's acceleration will decrease.

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