No Definite Properties Before Measurement

In summary, Mass, Charge, and Spin are three properties that have definite values before measurement. However, there are other quantities, such as position and momentum, that do not have definite values before measurement. In the non-relativistic theory of a single spin-0 particle, every observable is a function of x and p, which means that energy and angular momentum also do not have definite values. Additionally, the concept of charge is not as straightforward as it may seem, with different theories and algebras defining it in different ways. In QCD, for example, there are 8 different charges within the SU(3) color-charge algebra, and a particle or state cannot have definite values for all of them at the same time
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Mass, Charge, Spin has definite properties before measurement.


What else aside from position, momentum that have NO definite
properties before measurement. Is it only position and momentum?
 
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The first quantities you mention are the type of numbers that define a particle species. If you change one of those numbers, we'd be dealing with a different type of particle. Every other quantity is of the "doesn't have a definite value before measurement" kind.

In the non-relativistic theory of a single spin-0 particle, every observable is a function of x and p (the expressions that define them may include other numbers, but no other operators), e.g. energy ([itex]\vec p\,^2/2m[/itex]) and angular momentum ([itex]\vec x\cdot\vec p[/itex]).
 
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The charge is a bad example as it is not clear what concept of charge we are talking about. In QED this is somehow hidden, but in QCD it becomes explicit. In QED we have the "e" in the Lagrangian and we know that an electron has charge Q=-e.

In QCD we have a "g" in the Lagrangian which is NOT a charge but a coupling constant. That shows that the e in QED is not a charge either, that it is again a coupling constant, and that this coupling constant is by no means constant as it is affected by renormalization.

In QCD we do not have one charge, but we have an SU(3) color-charge algebra with 8 charges Qa, a=1..8. The same applies to SU(2) el.-weak theory and to a lot of other charges like SU(2) isospin or in general flavor.

The algebra of charges Qa looks similar to the familiar angular momentum algebra. And b/c of this algebra a certain particle or state cannot have definite values for all different charges a=1..8. If you look at angular momentum and label your states as |lm> with m=lz then in each such state lx and ly have no definite value.
 

FAQ: No Definite Properties Before Measurement

What is the meaning of "No Definite Properties Before Measurement"?

"No Definite Properties Before Measurement" is a concept in quantum mechanics that states that particles do not have a definite state or property until they are measured. This means that before a measurement is taken, the particle exists in a state of superposition, where it can be in multiple states simultaneously.

How does this concept contradict classical physics?

Classical physics states that particles have definite properties at all times, regardless of whether they are being observed or not. This contradicts the concept of "No Definite Properties Before Measurement" in quantum mechanics, where particles only have a definite state or property when they are measured.

What evidence supports the concept of "No Definite Properties Before Measurement"?

There have been numerous experiments in quantum mechanics that have shown that particles do not have a definite state or property before measurement. For example, the double-slit experiment has demonstrated that particles can behave as both waves and particles until they are measured.

How does this concept impact our understanding of reality?

The concept of "No Definite Properties Before Measurement" challenges our traditional understanding of reality, as it suggests that the universe is fundamentally probabilistic rather than deterministic. It also raises questions about the role of observation and measurement in shaping our understanding of the world.

Are there any practical applications of this concept?

While the concept of "No Definite Properties Before Measurement" may seem abstract, it has practical applications in technologies such as quantum computing and cryptography. It also has implications for fields such as biology and neuroscience, as it suggests that the act of observation can influence the behavior of particles in living systems.

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