Nodal Analysis and Two Dependent Current Sources

In summary, the conversation discusses a circuit with two voltage-controlled current sources and the calculation of voltage gain using the nodal method. The conductance matrix and its determinants are mentioned, with suggestions for corrections. The correct values for voltage gain are calculated and a shortcut method for obtaining the voltage gain expression is also mentioned. The conversation ends with a clarification about the use of a current source instead of a voltage source in the calculations.
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Hello,

I came up with a circuit that has two independent voltage-controlled current sources. I want to calculate voltage gain: ##G_{U} = \frac{U_{2}}{U_{1}}##. Moreover, I want to practice the nodal method at the same time. Below I'm sending schematic with marked nodes V1, V2, V3 and V4.
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I derived the circuit conductance matrix G and I want to calculate the mentioned gain by determining the determinants of the matrix i.e.:

$$U_{1} = V_{1} = \frac{\Delta_{1}}{\Delta}$$
$$U_{2} = V_{4} = \frac{\Delta_{4}}{\Delta}$$

Unfortunately, the determinants are zero and I don't know why. Can you suggest what I may be doing wrong? I'm sending derived matrix.

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Regards,
Tom
 
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You have a couple of mistakes in your conductance matrix. Also you need a source of voltage driving the input before you can have any output. If the right hand column vector is all zeroes, when you use that to replace one of the columns in the conductance matrix you get a determinant of zero. Include a driving source Vs as I've shown. You don't need to calculate the voltage at V1 since that will be a given, namely Vs.

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Finish working it out and post your result. If you're interested, I'll show you a shortcut method to get the voltage gain expression.
 
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You have a couple of mistakes in your conductance matrix. Also you need a source of voltage driving the input before you can have any output. If the right hand column vector is all zeroes, when you use that to replace one of the columns in the conductance matrix you get a determinant of zero. Include a driving source Vs as I've shown. You don't need to calculate the voltage at V1 since that will be a given, namely Vs.

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Finish working it out and post your result. If you're interested, I'll show you a shortcut method to get the voltage gain expression.
Thank you for the response and correction. Yep, I've made mistakes in G matrix (those typos have been made during writting matrices for this forum). I calculated ##\Delta_{1}## and ##\Delta_{2}## according to your suggestions: $$\Delta_{1} = \frac{Vs(R2+R3+R4)}{R2R3R4R5}$$
$$\Delta_{2} = - \frac{aVs(bR5+1)}{R3R5}$$
what gives
$$V_{1} = VsR1$$
$$V_{4} = - \frac{aVsR1R2R4(bR5+1)}{R2+R3+R4}$$

and finally voltage gain is:
$$G_{U} = - \frac{aR2R4(bR5+1)}{R2+R3+R4}$$

I'm confused due to "current values vector", because You just add voltage Vs there. It is correct ? We can treat this as some kind of "constant term"/any parameter nor variable direcly related to current ? I was quite confused when I saw that (why is not ##\frac{Vs}{R1}##.

If you're interested, I'll show you a shortcut method to get the voltage gain expression.
I'll be appriciate if you can tell something more about this shorcut :)

Regards,
Tom
 
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You are correct to be skeptical of the Vs variable; it should just be a current Is.:frown: If you use Is in all your calculations, you will get the result you already got.

To do the shortcut, form the admittance (conductance) matrix, invert it to form the impedance matrix. The voltage gain from node j to node k is given by the ratio of the (k,j) element of the impedance matrix to the (j,j) element. In other words, Gu = Z(k,j)/Z(j,j) = Z(4,1)/Z(1,1) in your case.

This works for any pair of nodes. It will give you the reverse voltage gain from node 4 to node 1, or from node 2 to node 3. It assumes that the stimulus applied to the input node is a voltage source.
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Thank you for explanation ! :smile:
 

Related to Nodal Analysis and Two Dependent Current Sources

What is nodal analysis?

Nodal analysis is a systematic method used in electrical engineering to determine the voltage at various points, or nodes, in an electrical circuit. By applying Kirchhoff's Current Law (KCL) and solving the resulting system of equations, one can find the unknown voltages in the circuit.

How do you handle dependent current sources in nodal analysis?

When dealing with dependent current sources in nodal analysis, you need to express the dependent source in terms of the circuit variables (usually node voltages or branch currents). This often involves writing additional equations that describe the dependency relationship and incorporating them into the nodal analysis equations.

What are the steps to perform nodal analysis with two dependent current sources?

The steps to perform nodal analysis with two dependent current sources are:1. Identify all nodes in the circuit and choose a reference node (ground).2. Assign voltage variables to the remaining nodes.3. Write KCL equations for each node, incorporating the dependent current sources by expressing them in terms of node voltages.4. Solve the system of equations to find the node voltages.5. Use the node voltages to determine any other required quantities, such as branch currents or power.

Can nodal analysis be used for circuits with both independent and dependent sources?

Yes, nodal analysis can be used for circuits that include both independent and dependent sources. The key is to correctly account for the dependencies by expressing the dependent sources in terms of the node voltages or currents and incorporating these relationships into the KCL equations.

What are common challenges when using nodal analysis with dependent current sources?

Common challenges include correctly identifying and expressing the dependency relationships of the dependent sources, setting up the correct system of equations, and solving potentially complex systems of linear equations. Ensuring all units are consistent and carefully managing sign conventions are also important to avoid errors.

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