Non-commuting operators on the same eigenfunctions

In summary, the example in Griffiths chapter 4 (pg. 179-180) demonstrates the computation of expectation values of ##S_x##, ##S_y##, and ##S_z## for a spin 1/2 particle in a magnetic field using an eigenvector of ##H##, which commutes with ##S_z##. However, since the three spin operators do not commute and have different eigenvectors, the significance of using this eigenvector to compute the expectation values of ##S_x## and ##S_y## is unclear. The physical meaning of an operator acting on a state that is not its own eigenvector is that it produces a result that is not parallel to the state, indicating a change
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In Griffiths chapter 4 (pg. 179-180) there is an example (Ex. 4.3) that details the expectation value of ## S_x ##, ##S_y##, and ##S_z## of a spin 1/2 particle in a magnetic field. In this example, they find an eigenvector of ## H## (which commutes with ## S_z##) but then use this same eigenvector to compute the expectation value of both ##S_x## and ##S_y##, too. But the three spin operators do not commute. They have different eigenvectors. So what exactly is the significance of computing the expectation values of the two other spin components with this eigenvector that is not an eigenvector of those 2 operators themselves?

I seem to be missing something very fundamental here. What exactly does it mean for an operator to act on a state that is not its own eigenvector (i.e. what is the physical meaning of this value)?
 
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An operator ##A## on a finite-dimensional Hilbert space acts on all vectors, not only on the eigenvectors. The eigenvectors are just the special vectors ##\psi## for which the image ##A\psi## is parallel to ##\psi##.
 
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FAQ: Non-commuting operators on the same eigenfunctions

What are non-commuting operators on the same eigenfunctions?

Non-commuting operators on the same eigenfunctions refer to operators in quantum mechanics that do not commute, meaning their order of operations affects the outcome of the measurement. They share the same set of eigenfunctions, but their corresponding eigenvalues do not commute.

Why are non-commuting operators important in quantum mechanics?

Non-commuting operators are important in quantum mechanics because they demonstrate the non-classical behavior of quantum systems. This non-commutativity is a fundamental aspect of quantum mechanics and plays a crucial role in the uncertainty principle.

Can non-commuting operators have the same eigenvalues?

Yes, non-commuting operators can have the same eigenvalues. This means that the corresponding eigenfunctions are the same, but the operators themselves do not commute. This further highlights the importance of the order of operations in quantum mechanics.

How do non-commuting operators affect measurements?

Non-commuting operators affect measurements by introducing uncertainty in the measurement outcomes. This is because the order of operations affects the outcome, making it impossible to precisely measure certain physical quantities simultaneously.

Are there any real-world applications of non-commuting operators?

Yes, there are several real-world applications of non-commuting operators. For example, they are used in quantum computing, quantum cryptography, and quantum communication. They also play a crucial role in understanding the behavior of particles in quantum systems.

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