Number system with an irrational base

In summary, the conversation discusses different types of number systems with irrational bases, specifically the Fibonacci base system, base 1, and irrational bases such as pi base, e base, and Phi base. The efficiency of these bases is also mentioned, with e base being theoretically the most efficient. A link to an article on a number system with an irrational base is provided, along with a discussion on the concept of "base efficiency". The conversation also briefly touches on the concept of harmonic basis and the exploration of base 3/2.
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BenVitale
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Could you provide a link to a 'number system with an irrational base'?

I only found this link http://www.jstor.org/pss/3029218

The link shows a small part of this number system ... I would to know more about it.
 
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There's not much to say -- they work just like number systems with rational bases.
 
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Actually, I'm interested in the unusual bases, such as,

- Base 1
- Fibonacci base system
- Irrational bases: pi base, e base, Phi base

The Fibonacci base system is easy.

Base 1 : I haven't looked into it, yet.

Irrational bases
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Bergman investigated irrational bases in 1957 [Bergman, G. "A Number System with an Irrational Base"] ... I don't have access to Bergman's article. Have you read it?

base pi and base e not so common - they are impractical.

phi is irrational and is solution to x^2 - x - 1 = 0
pi and e cannot be roots of a polynomial with integral cefficients.

This statement caught my attention:
It was shown e to be theoretically the most efficient base out of every possible base.

On Page 7/32

Source: http://www.artofproblemsolving.com/Resources/Papers/FracBase.pdf
 
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For base 1, search for "unary"; you'll find a lot of things using it, though probably not too much discussing it directly (again, there's not much to say).

"Base efficiency" in that sense relates to expected length of representation times number of symbols (the per-symbol entropy, really, when we look at non-integer bases). It's not hard to do the calculation on your own here.
 
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"Base 1" is easy: 1, 11, 111, 1111, 11111 are the numbers that, in base 10, would be called 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
 
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Harmonic basis is funny:

0+ a/2! + c/3! + d/4! + e/5! +

or something son. For each n, the coefficient must be an integer less than n.
 
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Has anyone explored base 3/2 ?
Write in base 3/2 the numbers 1, 2, 3,...,10, ... 20,...
 

FAQ: Number system with an irrational base

1. What is a number system with an irrational base?

A number system with an irrational base is a mathematical system in which the base used to represent numbers is an irrational number, such as pi or the square root of 2. This means that the number of digits in each place value is infinite, unlike in a traditional number system with a rational base.

2. How is a number system with an irrational base different from a traditional number system?

A traditional number system, such as the decimal system, uses a rational base, meaning that the base can be expressed as a fraction of two integers. This allows for a finite number of digits in each place value. In contrast, a number system with an irrational base has an infinite number of digits in each place value, making it more complex and challenging to work with.

3. What are some real-world applications of a number system with an irrational base?

A number system with an irrational base is mainly used in theoretical mathematics and computer science. It can also be used in cryptography, as the infinite digits in each place value make it difficult to decipher without knowing the specific irrational number used as the base.

4. How is arithmetic performed in a number system with an irrational base?

In a number system with an irrational base, arithmetic operations such as addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division are performed similarly to a traditional number system. However, the infinite digits in each place value can make these operations more complex and time-consuming.

5. What are the limitations of using a number system with an irrational base?

One of the main limitations of using a number system with an irrational base is the difficulty in performing arithmetic operations. This can make it challenging to use in practical applications. Additionally, since irrational numbers cannot be expressed as fractions, it can be challenging to accurately represent and compare numbers in this system.

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