Observer Frame of Reference

In summary, the observer on the train will see the lighting further than the observer on the platform does.
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Practicing Lorentz transformations but still not absolutely clear about conditions for observer's frame of reference. For example:
Suppose that just as one of Einstein's long and surreally fast trains is passing a station platform, lightning strikes the platform at two points making scorch marks just short of each end of the train and on the platform. The strikes are judged simultaneous by an an observer on the platform who is equidistant from both strikes. The train then reverses slowly back to the platform. Can it be stopped so that the scorch marks are precisely aligned in spite of their being made while the train was moving at high speed relative to the platform and subject to length contraction?
 
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The scorch marks on the train will be a distance L apart, while the ones on the station will be a distance L/γ apart. The observer on the ground will attribute the difference to Lorentz contraction of the train. The observer on the train will say that the lightning strikes were not simultaneous - the one that hit the rear of the train happened later, and that's why it seems to be closer.
 
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Bill_K said:
The scorch marks on the train will be a distance L apart, while the ones on the station will be a distance L/γ apart. The observer on the ground will attribute the difference to Lorentz contraction of the train. The observer on the train will say that the lightning strikes were not simultaneous - the one that hit the rear of the train happened later, and that's why it seems to be closer.

For the observer on the train the platform does not 'seem' to be closer. In his 3D world the platform is shorter, [STRIKE]therefore the lighning is closer.[/STRIKE]
[I have to correct myself. Actually the lightning is not closer to the observer in the train, because the lightnig happens at the end of his train with length L. The platform is indeed shorter, but the lighting is not closer to the observer in the train.]
 
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Bill_K said:
The scorch marks on the train will be a distance L apart, while the ones on the station will be a distance L/γ apart. The observer on the ground will attribute the difference to Lorentz contraction of the train. The observer on the train will say that the lightning strikes were not simultaneous - the one that hit the rear of the train happened later, and that's why it seems to be closer.

Vandam said:
For the observer on the train the platform does not 'seem' to be closer. In his 3D world the platform is shorter, [STRIKE]therefore the lighning is closer.[/STRIKE]
[I have to correct myself. Actually the lightning is not closer to the observer in the train, because the lightnig happens at the end of his train with length L. The platform is indeed shorter, but the lighting is not closer to the observer in the train.]


The observer on the train will not see the lightning closer than the observer on the platform does. On the contrary, the observer on the train will see the lightning further than the observer on the platform does!
A Loedel diagram shows you how it works (formulas only can not visualize all this).

train-platform.jpg


Red = train, green = platform. Red distance D (distance from observer on train to lighting) is longer than green distance D (distance from observer on platform).
For the observer on the train the platform is shorter (red P). The fact that for the observer on the train the lightning happens later is not the reason why the platform is shorter. The platform is shorter because the observer on the train can only measure the platform by other simultaneous events (E1 & E3) than the observer on the platform does (E1 & E2).

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FAQ: Observer Frame of Reference

1. What is an observer frame of reference?

An observer frame of reference is a coordinate system used to describe the motion of objects based on the perspective of an observer. It is a point of view from which an object's position, velocity, and acceleration can be measured.

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An observer frame of reference remains stationary while observing the motion of objects, whereas a moving frame of reference is also in motion and therefore may measure different values for an object's position, velocity, and acceleration.

3. What are some examples of observer frame of reference?

Examples of observer frame of reference include a person standing on the side of the road watching cars pass by, a person looking out the window of a moving train, or a scientist observing the motion of planets from Earth.

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