Optimum speed for mileage per gallon

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In summary, the conversation suggests that the optimum speed for most cars to get the best fuel efficiency is between 45mph and 55mph, with some variation depending on the car's gear ratios and engine type. The lower speed allows for easier maintenance of the highest gear, resulting in fewer engine explosions and better mileage. Additionally, aerodynamic drag plays a significant role in fuel efficiency, making lower speeds more efficient despite the engine's highest torque rpm being the most efficient for power.
  • #36
Adrock1795 said:
peak torque which depends on the power band of your camshafts

Not just the cam. Intake and exhaust runners also help to determine where the pipe is. Ideally, all three should be tuned to the same range.
 
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  • #37
Adrock1795 said:
From what i can tell, on a gasoline engine when you hit the throttle it opens the butterfly valve on the throttlebody which increases the air intake which is then mixed with fuel to create a constant air-to-fuel ratio maintained by the ECU. The mixture of fuel and air is then is then released into the cylinder chamber when the camshaft hits the valve lifter.
Camshaft speed is dependent to RPM speed, so the faster your camshaft is rotating the more fuel/air goes into the cylinder per minute.

So to use the less possible fuel you would need to be at the lowest possible RPM without stalling the engine.

But to get the most efficient power from your fuel, you would need to drive at the lowest RPM where you hit peak torque which depends on the power band of your camshafts


This all assumes that combustion airflow is proportional to the engine speed. This is not the case.
 
  • #38
Adrock1795 said:
From what i can tell, on a gasoline engine when you hit the throttle it opens the butterfly valve on the throttlebody which increases the air intake which is then mixed with fuel to create a constant air-to-fuel ratio maintained by the ECU. The mixture of fuel and air is then is then released into the cylinder chamber when the camshaft hits the valve lifter.
Camshaft speed is dependent to RPM speed, so the faster your camshaft is rotating the more fuel/air goes into the cylinder per minute.

So to use the less possible fuel you would need to be at the lowest possible RPM without stalling the engine.

But to get the most efficient power from your fuel, you would need to drive at the lowest RPM where you hit peak torque which depends on the power band of your camshafts

This brings to my mind an interesting question. What if peak torque was in the higher RPMs? I am aware that every car has it's differences in powerband, however let's say that we have a car that has peak torque performance at 6100 RPM (2007 Honda Civic Si). I do believe that driving at this peak would result in poor fuel economy.
I am beginning to realize more and more that fuel economy is very much related to the amount of work done per unit fuel(gallon).
I think that this further effects our definition of fuel economy.
 
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  • #39
MechSoup said:
I have always thought that fuel mileage was based on RPM. A lower, average, RPM would result in a higher fuel mileage.

It takes 2 metrics to determine how much fuel is going into the engine (or 3 if you don't assume AFR=14.7):

1) Engine RPM

2) Engine Manifold Pressure

Engines modify the amount of vacuum they are pulling (or in the case of forced induction, vacuum and boost) by opening the throttle plate and/or controlling the pressure being forced into the engine. Theoretically, at full throttle you're running at or close to 0 inhg of vacuum (14.7 psi absolute at sea level), and most engines will pull about -20 inhg (-10 psi) vacuum with the throttle plate closed (4.7 psi absolute). By modifying the density of the air going through the engine, you can modify the amount of power being made while at a set rpm range. Because of these two competing metrics, it's possible to make the same amount of power and use the same amount of fuel at different rpms.

Take for example you're going up a hill and you can maintain constant speed at either full throttle in 4th gear using 0 psi vacuum (14.7 psi absolute) at 2000rpm, or you can shift into 3rd gear and use partial throttle at -7 psi of vacuum (7.7psi absolute) at 4000rpm. Both states have the same amount of air going through the engine and therefore you are making the same amount of power at AFR=14.7, assuming of course the volumetric efficiency of the engine is constant through the rpms range, which it might not be... Essentially no matter how many rpms you are pulling, you have a specific power requirement that has to be met through burning gas for energy. This is true of going up a hill, or going against wind resistance at 75mph.

So, the best mileage will generally be where you minimize the amount of air going into the engine AND the load on your engine while maximizing the gear reduction between the engine and the wheels (highest gear). Generally, I have found that most vehicles get peak mileage at 55-60mph.
 
  • #40
The opitmum speed is ZERO or was that too obvesious.

Knowing how car makers like to work the figures the optimum will be at whatever speed the Government decides to test at.

With diesel engines it is a little easier to do the calculations as the makers publish fuel consumption figures based on full load across the rev range. By looking at both full consuption and HP it is then possiable to select optimum revs for an application or more to the point the right engine (yes this is based on stationary engine applications) With drag being the square root of speed the answer becomes one of the right revs V excess speed. In trucking aplications I think they aim to maintain RPM between 1400 & 1800 for best power and fuel.

I always thought that the best speed for cars and other light vechciles was 44 MPH.

What fuel ecomony does come down to though is the weight that you are trying to move and the aerodynmics. Afterall a 3 tonne SUV is always going to take more fuel to get from A to Z than a 1.25 tonne hatchback.
 
  • #41
oil change, good tires, adult driving will all add up to the mileage of your family car, you can also use bio-fuel save money ! ( I read an article, guess, popular mechanics that one company in CA has introduced a bio-fuel generator to be used in back yards, cost $10K. the price is expected to be $6K soon, uses leaves and bushes

Rick
 
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  • #42
adult driving?
 
  • #43
DaveC426913 said:
adult driving?

Without the extra weight of clothes you get better mileage!
 

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