P-adic metric calculate limit

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In summary, the P-adic metric is a way of measuring distances in the field of p-adic numbers, defined by the highest power of a prime p that divides the number. To calculate limits in this metric, one examines the convergence of sequences or series in terms of their p-adic valuation. A sequence converges if the distances between its terms approach zero in the p-adic metric, which can lead to different behaviors compared to classical limits in real or complex analysis. Understanding these limits is crucial for analyzing p-adic functions and their properties.
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Homework Statement
Calculate the following limits ##\displaystyle{\lim_{n \to \infty}} p^n## and ##\sum\limits_{k=0}^{\infty} p^k##
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I'm not sure if I have calculated the task here correctly

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I have now obtained the following with ##n=-v_p(x-y)##

$$\displaystyle{\lim_{n \to \infty}} p^n= \infty$$
$$\sum\limits_{n=0}^{\infty} p^n=\frac{p}{p-1}$$

Is that correct?
 
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Lambda96 said:
Homework Statement: Calculate the following limits ##\displaystyle{\lim_{n \to \infty}} p^n## and ##\sum\limits_{k=0}^{\infty} p^k##
Relevant Equations: none

Hi,

I'm not sure if I have calculated the task here correctly

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Task 4-4b looked like this
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I have now obtained the following with ##n=-v_p(x-y)##

$$\displaystyle{\lim_{n \to \infty}} p^n= \infty$$
$$\sum\limits_{n=0}^{\infty} p^n=\frac{p}{p-1}$$

Is that correct?
a) What is the distance between ##p^n## and ##0##?

b) What is ##\displaystyle{\left(\sum_{k=0}^\infty p^k \right)\cdot (1-p)}##?

Here is another short introduction to p-adic numbers:
https://www.physicsforums.com/insig...l-number-systems-that-we-have/#p-adic-Numbers
 
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Thank you fresh_42 for your help 👍

Regarding a)
Isn't the distance calculated as follows? ##| n-0 |_p=| p^n |_p=p^{-n}##

Regarding b)
##\sum\limits_{k=0}^{\infty} p^k \cdot (1-p)=1##
 
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Thank you fresh_42 for your help 👍

Regarding a)
Isn't the distance calculated as follows? ##| n-0 |_p=| p^n |_p=p^{-n}##

Regarding b)
##\sum\limits_{k=0}^{\infty} p^k \cdot (1-p)=1##
a) Yes. And if ##n\to \infty ## then ##\displaystyle{\lim_{n \to \infty}|p^{n}|_p=\lim_{n \to \infty}p^{-n}}=?##
b) Yes.

Convergence of series is easier in p-adic analysis:
$$
\lim_{n \to \infty}a_np^n=0 \Longrightarrow \sum_{n=k}^{\infty}a_np^n < \infty \;(k\in \mathbb{Z}\, , \,a_n\in \{0,1,\ldots,p-1\})
$$
and all elements of ##\mathbb{Q}_p ## are a limit of such a series.
 
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Thanks again for your help fresh_42 👍


The limit value of ##\displaystyle{\lim_{n \to \infty}} p^{-n}## should then be ##\displaystyle{\lim_{n \to \infty}} p^{-n}=0##
 
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Thanks again for your help fresh_42 👍


The limit value of ##\displaystyle{\lim_{n \to \infty}} p^{-n}## should then be ##\displaystyle{\lim_{n \to \infty}} p^{-n}=0##
Yes. The distance between ##p^n## and zero in the p-adic metric goes to zero.
 
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Yes. The distance between ##p^n## and zero in the p-adic metric goes to zero.
Can you remind me of a result to the effect that a property that holds for all p-adics ; p=2,3,... also holds for the Reals? Can't remember the qualifications.
 
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Maybe somewhat more formal, or to highlight using theusing the p-adic valuation : ##Lim_{n \rightarrow \infty} \frac{1}{p^n} ##
All I could find was
Helmut Hasse (1898 - 1979) showed in his dissertation 1921 about quadratic forms that rational equations can be solved - up to many complicated technical details - if they can be solved for real numbers and all p-adic numbers.
I have a book about quadratic forms that deals with this kind of algebraic topology. But even the language needs an introduction, or do you know by heart what a (prime) spot is, or class numbers? It's all so long ago.
 
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FAQ: P-adic metric calculate limit

What is the P-adic metric?

The P-adic metric is a way to measure distances in the field of P-adic numbers, which are an extension of the rational numbers. It is defined using a prime number P, where the distance between two P-adic numbers is based on the highest power of P that divides their difference. This metric allows for a different notion of convergence and limits compared to the usual absolute value metric in real numbers.

How do you calculate limits in P-adic numbers?

To calculate limits in P-adic numbers, one typically examines sequences of P-adic numbers and determines their convergence based on the P-adic metric. A sequence converges to a limit if, for any given positive distance (epsilon), there exists a point in the sequence beyond which all terms are within that distance from the limit. This is often done by analyzing the terms of the sequence and their behavior relative to the P-adic metric.

What is the significance of limits in P-adic analysis?

Limits in P-adic analysis are significant because they help establish the completeness of the P-adic numbers. Just like in real analysis, understanding limits allows mathematicians to explore continuity, differentiability, and other analytical concepts within the P-adic framework. This has implications in number theory, algebraic geometry, and other branches of mathematics.

Can you give an example of a limit calculation in P-adic numbers?

Certainly! Consider the sequence defined by the P-adic numbers as follows: a_n = 1 + P^n for n = 0, 1, 2, ... In the P-adic metric, as n approaches infinity, the term P^n becomes negligible compared to 1, so the limit of the sequence a_n is 1 in the P-adic metric. Thus, we can say that lim (n→∞) a_n = 1.

Are there any specific challenges in calculating P-adic limits?

Yes, one challenge in calculating P-adic limits is that the behavior of sequences can differ significantly from that in real analysis. For example, a sequence can converge in the P-adic sense while diverging in the real sense. Additionally, the non-Archimedean nature of the P-adic metric can lead to unexpected results, such as the existence of non-trivial limits or the need to consider the valuation of numbers carefully.

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