Please explain - total electic field Ec + En within the coils must be zero

In summary, the text University Physics explains that for circuits containing inductors, the total electric field within the coils must be zero in order to use Kirchoff's rule. This is because the coils have negligible resistance and a small electric field is needed for charges to move through them. This means that the conservative electric field (Ec) and non-conservative electric field (En) must cancel each other out. Walter Lewin's lecture on induced fem further explains why the electric field inside a good conductor should be very small. He also shows how the voltage drop across an inductor is equal to the integral of the electric field outside the coil. Therefore, both points of view can be reconciled. It is recommended to watch Walter Lewin
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Please explain -- total electic field Ec + En within the coils must be zero

Hi
This is from the text University Physics.
In pg. 1035, chap 10, in order to justify the use of Kirchoff's rule to analyze circuits containing inductors it is written :
Let's assume we are dealing with an inductor whose coils have negligible resistance. Then a negligibly small electric field is required to make charge move through the coils, so the total electic field Ec + En within the coils must be zero, even though neither field is individually zero.

The doubt is : Why should En + Ec be zero ?


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sree
 
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I don't know what En and Ec mean, but I strongly recommend reading Walter Lewin's lecture on induced fem. He addresses the question why the electric field inside a good conductor should be very small.
 
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Ec - conservative electric field (Couloumb's law)
En - non conservative electric field (induced field due to change in flux)
 
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The voltage drop across an inductor, L dI/dt can be large. However, if you try to equal this figure to the integral of the electric along the coil wire you find a small number because, for any finite current, the field inside a good conductor must be very small.
How do you reconcile both points of view?
Walter Lewin shows how L dI/dt equals the integral of the electric field outside the coil.
I strongly suggest that you watch Lewin's lectures; they're free.
 
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Hello Sree,

Thank you for your question. The reason that the total electric field Ec + En within the coils must be zero is because of the nature of inductors. An inductor works by creating a magnetic field when current passes through it. This magnetic field, in turn, induces an opposing electric field within the coils. This opposing electric field is what causes the inductor to resist changes in current.

Now, in the case of an ideal inductor with negligible resistance, the flow of current is not hindered by the coils themselves. This means that the electric field within the coils must be negligible as well. If there were a significant electric field within the coils, it would require energy to maintain it, which would result in a loss of energy and a non-ideal inductor.

Therefore, in order for an inductor to function as it should, the total electric field within the coils must be zero. This ensures that there is no loss of energy and the inductor can effectively create a magnetic field to oppose changes in current. This is why we can use Kirchhoff's rule to analyze circuits containing inductors, as the total electric field within the coils is negligible and can be ignored in our calculations.

I hope this helps to clarify the concept. Please let me know if you have any further questions.

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FAQ: Please explain - total electic field Ec + En within the coils must be zero

1. What is the total electric field within coils and why must it be zero?

The total electric field within coils refers to the sum of all electric fields present within the coils. It must be zero because of the principle of superposition, which states that the total electric field at any point is the vector sum of all individual electric fields at that point. For the total electric field to be zero, the individual electric fields must cancel each other out.

2. How is the total electric field within coils calculated?

The total electric field within coils can be calculated by adding the individual electric fields of each coil. This can be done using vector addition, taking into account the direction and magnitude of each electric field.

3. Why is it important for the total electric field within coils to be zero?

It is important for the total electric field within coils to be zero because it ensures that there is no net electric force acting on the charges within the coils. This is necessary for the coils to function properly and avoid any unwanted effects such as sparking or damage to the coils.

4. Can the total electric field within coils ever be non-zero?

Yes, the total electric field within coils can be non-zero if the individual electric fields of each coil do not cancel each other out. This can happen if the coils are not symmetrically arranged or if there are external electric fields present that affect the coils.

5. How does the principle of superposition apply to the total electric field within coils?

The principle of superposition states that the total electric field at any point is the vector sum of all individual electric fields at that point. This principle applies to the total electric field within coils, as the individual electric fields from each coil must be added together to determine the total electric field within the coils.

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