Please help - An ideal gas problem involving work on a mass

In summary, the problem involves an ideal gas with a heat capacity of 20 J/(mol*K) that absorbs 1000 J of heat and lifts a 10 kg mass a distance of 2 m while expanding. The initial temperature of the gas is 300 K and the final temperature is being calculated. The equations used are Q=mcΔT and ΔE=Q-W, but the work done by the gas in lifting the weight is not accounted for. The work is calculated using W=mgΔh and then substituted into ΔE=mcΔT to solve for ΔT.
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Please help -- An ideal gas problem involving work on a mass

1. An ideal gas has a heat capacity of 20 J/(mol*K). One mole of the gas is in a cylinder and absorbs 1000 J of heat and lifts a 10 kg mass a vertical distance of 2 m while expanding. If the initial temperature of the gas is 300 K, what is the approximate final temperature of the gas?



2. Q = mcΔT, ΔE = Q-W



3. I thought this would be straightforward, but I'm not getting the correct answer of 340K. I thought that I could set Q=1000 J, plug in m and c, and solve for Tf. In this case, Tf = (Q/mc) + Ti. This gives me only about 305 K.
 
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In ΔE = Q-W, you aren't accounting for the work done by the system as it is lifting a 10 kg mass a distance of 2 m. How would you find the work done in moving a distance d by a force F?
 
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Work = a change in energy. I'm not sure how to integrate that into the problem. I've gone over this problem for hours trying to figure out what I'm missing. I could use W = PV, but I don't have enough info. I was trying to use the delta E equation but I'm lost on the steps.
 
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It should be ΔE=mcΔT, not Q=mcΔT. The latter is correct only if the volume is constant. You need to calculate the work that the gas does in lifting the weight, assuming that the weight is initially at equilibrium and that there is vacuum above the weight. The work the gas does is the change in potential energy of the weight. PΔV=mgΔh.

Chet
 
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This must involve a substitution that I'm not catching. The knowns are: heat capacity (c), heat (Q), mass (m), distance (x), initial temp (Ti) and looking for Tf.
If I have PΔV = mgh, do I need to sub in mcΔT somehow to incorporate c, Q and ΔT? Would anyone be able to show me the work on how this could be written out? Thank you!
 
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kivarocket said:
This must involve a substitution that I'm not catching. The knowns are: heat capacity (c), heat (Q), mass (m), distance (x), initial temp (Ti) and looking for Tf.
If I have PΔV = mgh, do I need to sub in mcΔT somehow to incorporate c, Q and ΔT? Would anyone be able to show me the work on how this could be written out? Thank you!

mcΔT=Q-W=Q-mgh
 
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kivarocket said:
This must involve a substitution that I'm not catching. The knowns are: heat capacity (c), heat (Q), mass (m), distance (x), initial temp (Ti) and looking for Tf.
If I have PΔV = mgh, do I need to sub in mcΔT somehow to incorporate c, Q and ΔT? Would anyone be able to show me the work on how this could be written out? Thank you!
In order to do this problem correctly you have to be able to determine how much work is done. Since the problem does not give you the cross-sectional area of the cylinder, you have to assume that the space above the piston inside the cylinder is a vacuum. So the only work done is, as Chestermiller says, mgΔh (using W = PΔV, W = (mg/A)ΔV = mgΔh). [Otherwise P = (mg/A + Patm). So the work done would be PΔV = (mg/A + Patm)ΔV = mgΔh + PatmAΔh].

Since W = mgΔh and, as you have noted, W = Q-ΔU you should be able to determine ΔU. Then it is just a matter of determining ΔT from ΔU (or ΔE as you have it - the change in internal energy). How is ΔU related to n and ΔT?

AM
 

FAQ: Please help - An ideal gas problem involving work on a mass

What is an ideal gas?

An ideal gas is a theoretical gas composed of particles that have no volume and do not interact with each other. It follows the gas laws, such as Boyle's law and Charles' law, under all conditions of temperature and pressure.

What is the problem involving work on a mass?

This refers to the calculation of work done by an ideal gas on a mass, often in a piston-cylinder system. This can be determined using the equation W = PΔV, where W is the work, P is the pressure, and ΔV is the change in volume.

How do you solve an ideal gas problem involving work on a mass?

First, you need to gather all the necessary information, such as the initial and final volumes, pressure, and mass. Then, use the ideal gas law (PV = nRT) to calculate the number of moles of gas present. Finally, plug in the values into the equation W = PΔV to solve for work.

What units are used for the variables in the ideal gas law?

Pressure is typically measured in atmospheres (atm), volume in liters (L), temperature in Kelvin (K), and number of moles in moles (mol).

Are there any limitations to using the ideal gas law?

Yes, the ideal gas law assumes that the gas behaves ideally, which may not be the case at high pressures or low temperatures. It also does not take into account intermolecular forces between gas particles. Real gases may deviate from ideal gas behavior under certain conditions.

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