Positive work:direction of external force

In summary, when an electron approaches a proton, the potential energy of the electron decreases and work is done by the attractive force between them. The work done is positive because the force and displacement are in the same direction. If there is an external force involved, the work done will depend on the specific circumstances and may be zero if the forces cancel each other out.
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If an electron is brought near the proton from infinity,potential energy of the electron decreases so work done must be positive because the change in potential energy is the NEGATIVE of the work done .But how ?I mean for work done to be positive, force and displacement should be parallel to each other here
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so is the external force which is responsible for doing the work is in the same direction as of direction of displacement?
 
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I presume you are not talking about a quantum analysis of this, as the concept of an electron approaching a photon assumes an exact measurement of position.

So I imagine you're just talking about a classical negatively charged particle approaching a classical positively charged particle. In that case the force is attractive (opposites attract) so the force on the -ve particle is in the same direction as the displacement - both being towards the +ve particle.

That gives positive work.
 
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gracy said:
so is the external force which is responsible for doing the work is in the same direction as of direction of displacement?
I am not talking about attractive force rather I am referring to the external force which is responsible for doing the work
 
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There is no need for an external force. The -ve particle will fall towards the +ve one without an external force, and positive work will be done in the process. The work will emerge as kinetic energy.

If you want to introduce an external force you need to tell us what it is doing. Is it for instance pushing the -ve particle away from the +ve one in order to slow its descent? In that case you can no longer use a principle that ' the change in potential energy is the NEGATIVE of the work done' unless you also take into account the change in potential energy of the system providing the external force. So you have two options:

1. No external force. The PE net decreases by w. The work done by the attractive force is +w, and the KE of the particle increases by w.

2. An external force is pushing the -ve particle away. Then the external force does work -w, so the net work done is
+w (by the attractive force) + -w (by the external force) = 0
This matches the change in KE of the particle, which is zero.
The PE of the particle decreases by w, which is exactly offset by the increase in PE of the system providing the repulsive force (assuming no work is dissipated as heat). So the change in PE is zero, which matches the work done.
 

FAQ: Positive work:direction of external force

What is positive work?

Positive work is the action of a force on an object that results in the displacement of the object in the same direction as the force.

What is the direction of an external force?

The direction of an external force is the direction in which the force is applied on an object from an external source, such as another object or person.

How do you determine the direction of an external force?

The direction of an external force can be determined by the direction in which the force is being applied on an object, as well as the direction in which the object is being displaced.

What is the relationship between positive work and the direction of an external force?

The relationship between positive work and the direction of an external force is that positive work is only done when the object is displaced in the same direction as the external force applied.

What are some examples of positive work being done in the direction of an external force?

Some examples of positive work being done in the direction of an external force include pushing a cart forward, lifting a box off the ground, and pulling a rope to move an object towards you.

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