Possible 3rd Order Non-Linear Diffeq Solutions

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In summary, the conversation discusses finding the general solution of a third order non-linear differential equation. The equation is transformed into a homogeneous equation and assumed solutions are proposed. Two of the solutions, Y1 and Y2, are found to be valid while the third solution, Y3, is not. The speaker raises the question of whether it is possible for a 3rd order non-linear Diffeq to have only 2 solutions, as it is commonly believed that there should be 3. The expert then explains that the assumed solutions were chosen by chance and the third solution is valid because it satisfies the equation.
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Alright, so I have a general question on finding the general solution of the eq:

t^3y"'(t)-4t^2y''(t)+8ty'(t)-8y(t)=t

next, turn it into a homogenous equation:

t^3y"'(t)-4t^2y''(t)+8ty'(t)-8y(t)=0

The assumed solutions are and derivatives:
Y1 = 8t Y1'= 8 Y1'' = 0 Y1'''=0
Y2 = -4y^2 Y2' = -8t Y2'' = -8 Y2''' = 0
Y3 = t^3 Y3'=3t^2 Y3'' = 6t Y3'''=6

Y1 and Y2 are solutions, but Y3 is not, I get the equation being equal to 2.

So, I am wondering for a 3rd order non-linear Diffeq, is it possible for there to be only 2 solutions, I thought there had to be 3?
 
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The assumed solutions are and derivatives:
Y1 = 8t Y1'= 8 Y1'' = 0 Y1'''=0
Y2 = -4y^2 Y2' = -8t Y2'' = -8 Y2''' = 0
Y3 = t^3 Y3'=3t^2 Y3'' = 6t Y3'''=6
Why assuming thoses solutions ? There is no reason to that.
It's just by chance that the two first ones are convenient. And there is no surprise for the third to be not convenient.
Let y = t^k
y'=k*t^(k-1)
y'' = k(k-1)t^(k-2)
y''' = k(k-1)(k-2)t^(k-3)
bringing back into the homogeneous equation leads to :
(k^3)-7k²+14k-8 = 0
(k-1)(k-2)(k-4)=0
So your solution Y1 is convenient only because, by chance, k=1 is solution. If k=1 wasn't solution, it would have failed. The same for Y2.
The third solution is given by k=4.
 

FAQ: Possible 3rd Order Non-Linear Diffeq Solutions

What is a general 3rd order DE?

A general 3rd order differential equation (DE) is a mathematical equation that involves a function and its derivatives up to the third order. It is used to model various physical phenomena in science and engineering.

How is a 3rd order DE different from other types of DEs?

A 3rd order DE is different from other types of DEs, such as 1st or 2nd order DEs, because it involves the third derivative of the function. This means that the equation has three independent variables and three initial conditions that need to be specified.

What is the process for solving a general 3rd order DE?

The process for solving a general 3rd order DE involves finding a particular solution using a variety of methods, such as variation of parameters or undetermined coefficients, and then combining it with the complementary solution, which is found by solving the associated homogeneous DE.

What are some real-world applications of general 3rd order DEs?

General 3rd order DEs are used in many fields of science and engineering, including mechanics, electromagnetics, and fluid dynamics. They can be used to model the behavior of physical systems, such as oscillating springs, electrical circuits, and vibrating membranes.

Are there any special techniques for solving particularly difficult 3rd order DEs?

Yes, there are some special techniques for solving particularly difficult 3rd order DEs, such as the method of Frobenius and the Laplace transform. These methods are used when the coefficients of the DE are not constant or when the equation is non-homogeneous.

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