Power Series with a funky denominator

In summary, the conversation discusses finding the radius and interval of convergence for a series with a factorial and a unique denominator. The speaker attempts the ratio test and obtains a convergence interval of -6<x<6 and a radius of 6. They then struggle with checking the endpoints, but it is determined that the series diverges at both x=-6 and x=6. The summary also includes the speaker's confusion about the denominator and their eventual understanding of how to evaluate an+1.
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NastyAccident
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Homework Statement


Find the radius of convergence and interval of convergence of the following series.
[tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=1}\frac{n!*x^{n}}_{5*11*17*\cdots*(6n-1)}[/tex]


Homework Equations


Knowledge of Power Series.
Factorials?


The Attempt at a Solution


I'm really unsure where to start, however, I did attempt [see the attached pdf] solving the series by just attacking it head on with the ratio test. After I obtained the convergence interval, I reran the ratio test using x=6 and received an inconclusive result (L=1).

The only type of Power Series that I've dealt with similarly was:

[tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=1}\frac{n^{2}x^{n}}_{2*4*6*\cdots*(2n)}[/tex]

[tex]2*4*6*\cdots*(2n) = (2*1)*(2*2)*(2*3)*\cdots*(2*n) = 2^{n}(1*2*3*\cdots*n)=2^n*n![/tex]

However, with this particular series, as I said earlier, I'm not really sure how to handle the series because of the type of denominator I'm dealing with... Heck, I'm not even sure what this type of denominator is called.

ANY, and ALL help will be appreciated and thanked!



NastyAccident.
 

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Try the ratio test. That will probably show that this series converges, and the ratio can be used to find the values of x for which it converges. That gives you your interval of convergence and the radius of convergence. You'll probably need to check the endpoints of the interval separately.
 
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Mark44 said:
Try the ratio test. That will probably show that this series converges, and the ratio can be used to find the values of x for which it converges. That gives you your interval of convergence and the radius of convergence. You'll probably need to check the endpoints of the interval separately.

So far I've done all of that. (Please see the attached PDF. Sorry that I couldn't save it as a GIF/JPG since I currently am using MathType-Lite for Mac so I had to export my pages document containing the MathType-lite equation to a PDF.)

*Shown in PDF on original post*
R = 6
I = -6<x<6

I am having trouble with actually checking the endpoints determined since I'm unsure what the denominator actually is.

For instance, I know that if x = -6 it is an alternating series.
Thus, I should run the Alternating Series Test (AST). However, since I'm unsure what the actual denominator is. This causes me to not be able to justify the limit (part II of the AST). Justifying an+1 < an (Part I of the AST) is easy assuming that I times the denominator by (6n+1) so it becomes

5*11*17*...*(6n+1)*(6n-1).

With x = 6, I'm not even sure what test to begin with. Since I can't justify the limit... [Normally, I run the Test of Divergence first.]
NastyAccident
 
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Your attachment is still pending approval, so my previous post applied to what I could see in your post.

For x = -6, the general term in your series is
[tex]\frac{n! (-6)^n}{5 * 11 * 17 * ... * (6n - 1)}[/tex]

This can be rewritten as
[tex]\frac{6*1}{5}~\frac{6*2}{11}~\frac{6*3}{17}...~\frac{6n - 6}{6n - 7}~\frac{6n}{6n - 1}[/tex]

I have omitted the (-1)^n factor, since we already know this is an alternating series, and the goals are to determine whether the general term an in this series approaches 0 and an + 1 < an.

Pretty clearly the series is NOT monotone decreasing. To get an + 1, we multiply an by 6(n + 1)/(6n + 5), a number that is larger than 1. From this, we see that the sequence of partial sums does not approach zero, so the series diverges.

The same is true when x = 6: the series diverges at this endpoint of the convergence interval.
 
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Mark44 said:
Your attachment is still pending approval, so my previous post applied to what I could see in your post.

For x = -6, the general term in your series is
[tex]\frac{n! (-6)^n}{5 * 11 * 17 * ... * (6n - 1)}[/tex]

This can be rewritten as
[tex]\frac{6*1}{5}~\frac{6*2}{11}~\frac{6*3}{17}...~\frac{6n - 6}{6n - 7}~\frac{6n}{6n - 1}[/tex]

I have omitted the (-1)^n factor, since we already know this is an alternating series, and the goals are to determine whether the general term an in this series approaches 0 and an + 1 < an.

Pretty clearly the series is NOT monotone decreasing. To get an + 1, we multiply an by 6(n + 1)/(6n + 5), a number that is larger than 1. From this, we see that the sequence of partial sums does not approach zero, so the series diverges.

The same is true when x = 6: the series diverges at this endpoint of the convergence interval.

Ah, my apologies in regards to uploading a PDF I wasn't aware of the approval requirement. Thank you for help so far as well!

Now, you converted the numerator to a form similar to the denominator and then evaluated it.

[tex]\frac{6*1}{5}~\frac{6*2}{11}~\frac{6*3}{17}...~\frac{6n - 6}{6n - 7}~\frac{6n}{6n - 1}[/tex]

[tex]\frac{6}{5}~\frac{12}{11}~\frac{18}{17}...~\frac{6n - 6}{6n - 7}~\frac{6n}{6n - 1}[/tex]

This makes sense so far in my mind.

To get an+1 you took the last term [tex]\frac{6n}{6n - 1}[/tex] and plugged in for n = n+1. So, an+1=[tex]...*\frac{6(n+1)}{6(n+1) - 1}=...*\frac{6n+6)}{6n+6) - 1}=...*\frac{6n+6)}{6n+5}[/tex]

Then you were able to see that the limit as n->infinity = 1 (not zero), therefore it is not convergent by the Test of Divergence for both x=-6,6. Correct?



NastyAccident
 
  • #6
Yes. What you have for an is the product of n factors, each of which is slightly larger than 1, hence lim an is not zero.
 
  • #7
Mark44 said:
Yes. What you have for an is the product of n factors, each of which is slightly larger than 1, hence lim an is not zero.

Thanks! I appreciate it =)



NastyAccident
 

FAQ: Power Series with a funky denominator

What is a power series with a funky denominator?

A power series with a funky denominator is a mathematical series where the terms in the denominator do not follow a simple pattern, making it difficult to find a closed form solution.

How do you determine the convergence of a power series with a funky denominator?

The convergence of a power series with a funky denominator can be determined by using methods such as the ratio test or the root test. These tests help determine if the series converges or diverges based on the behavior of the terms in the denominator.

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A power series with a funky denominator is often used in mathematical models to represent real-world phenomena that do not follow a simple pattern. It allows for a more accurate and precise representation of these phenomena.

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