Pressure Ratio of He to N2 at Equal Density

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The discussion revolves around calculating the pressure ratio of helium (He) to nitrogen (N2) at equal densities. The user initially sets up the problem using the density formula and establishes that the mass of He is seven times that of N2 based on their molar masses. They recognize the need to apply the ideal gas law (PV=nRT) to find the pressure ratio. Ultimately, they conclude that the pressure ratio of He to N2 is 7:1, confirming that helium requires a significantly higher pressure to match nitrogen's density under the same conditions. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly applying gas laws in solving density-related problems.
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Homework Statement



Calculate the pressure ratio of He to N2 at which helium would have the same density as nitrogen if their temperatures were the same.

Homework Equations



I used D = m/v

The Attempt at a Solution



DHe = mHe/v
DN2 = mN2/v
Both gases occupy the same volume, so just v for both.

Since DHe = DN2,
mHr/v = mN2/v and mHe = mN2

For some x and y,
x mol He(4.003 g/mol He) = mHe
y mol N2(28.01 g/mol N2) = mN2

4.003x g = 28.01y g
x = 7y

To me it looks like there are 7 times as many moles of He as N2 but I doubt that would directly apply to their pressure ratios. I think I'd have to use PV = nRT but I'm not sure how I'd put it in.
I was actually helping some chemistry students earlier today with this and am hoping I can have the answer ready for them tomorrow morning. :smile:
 
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Honestly, I have no idea what the question asks. Oxygen? And why do you use neon in your calculations?

Could be what you did is OK, but with all these typos/inconsistencies it is not.
 
I fixed the Ne and oxygen; I have an older edition of the book than that which the students are using and I hadn't quite changed everything to match the problem in their book. Should be alright now.
 
OK.

Now, knowing ratio of numbers of moles try to calculate ratio of pressures using PV=nRT. Don't be surprised if everything cancels out :wink:
 
I think I got it now (don't know why I didn't look at it like this before)

I found that nHe/nN2 = 7/1, and using P = nRT/V,

PHe/PN2 = (nHeRT/V)/(nN2RT/V)
PHe/PN2 = nHe/nN2 = 7/1
 

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