Problem with Lagrange's Equations of Motion

In summary, the conversation involves a person seeking help with verifying a derivation using Lagrange's EOM for a dynamic system. The derivation includes several terms and involves taking derivatives of scalar relations with respect to vectors. The person is doubting their work and is seeking assistance from the community.
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Hello,

I have seen some pretty esoteric questions get answered pretty clearly on here so I figured I would give it a shot.

I am trying to verify a derivation using Lagrange's EOM for a dynamic system and I have run into a snag with one of the terms.

$$ \frac{d}{dt}(\frac{\partial T}{\partial{\dot {\xi_F}}}) - (\frac{\partial T} {\partial{\xi_F}}) + (\frac{\partial U} {\partial{\xi_F}}) = Q_F $$
where $$ T= \frac{1}{2}m\mathbf{V}^T\mathbf{V}+\frac{1}{2}\mathbf{\omega}^T\mathbf{\omega} $$ and $$ V=\begin{bmatrix}u & v & w\end{bmatrix}^T $$
and $$ U=-m g_0 \frac{R_{earth}^2}{R}$$ and last but not least $$ \xi = \begin{bmatrix}R_x & R_y & R_z \end{bmatrix}^T $$

I am running into issues with taking the derivatives of the scalar relations with respect to the vectors. I think I have the solution but it is looking more complicated then the one I am checking which has me doubting my work.

I would appreciate any help and I am glad to join the community.
 
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FAQ: Problem with Lagrange's Equations of Motion

What are Lagrange's equations of motion?

Lagrange's equations of motion are a set of equations used in classical mechanics to describe the motion of a system. They are based on the principle of least action, which states that the path taken by a system between two points in time is the one that minimizes the action, a measure of the system's energy.

What is the problem with Lagrange's equations of motion?

The main problem with Lagrange's equations of motion is that they cannot be used to describe systems with constraints. This means that if there are any restrictions on the motion of the system, such as fixed points or rigid connections between objects, the equations will not accurately model the system's behavior.

How can the problem with Lagrange's equations of motion be solved?

One way to solve this problem is to use the extended Lagrange's equations, which take into account the constraints on the system. Another approach is to use a different set of equations, such as Hamilton's equations, which can handle constrained systems more effectively.

What are some real-world applications of Lagrange's equations of motion?

Lagrange's equations of motion are used in a wide range of fields, including aerospace engineering, robotics, and physics. They are especially useful in situations where there are complex interactions between multiple objects, such as in celestial mechanics or the motion of a pendulum.

Are there any limitations to using Lagrange's equations of motion?

Yes, there are some limitations to using Lagrange's equations of motion. As mentioned earlier, they cannot accurately describe systems with constraints. Additionally, they are based on classical mechanics and do not take into account quantum effects, making them less applicable in the field of quantum mechanics.

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