Problems with conversions to spherical coordinates involving a line integral

In summary: The area element is \vec\rho d\rho d\theta, the "normal" to the surface is \vec\phi.In summary, the problem involves finding the line integral of a given vector A in spherical coordinates around a closed path consisting of straight lines and a circular arc. The line integral is split into three separate integrals for each path, and the figure is given in Cartesian coordinates. The surface integral involves converting the position vector to spherical coordinates and using the area element and "normal" to find the enclosed area in the xy-plane.
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Homework Statement


given the vector A = 4r + 3theta -2phi
, find its line integral around the closed path.
(the figure contained in the book is a straight line along the x-axis extending to radius a, with a curved portion of a circle with radius a centered at the origin curving back to the y-axis at y= +a and then another straight line returning to the origin, the direction of the path flows counter-clockwise from the origin). Also find the surface integral of del(cross)A over enclosed area and compare results.


Homework Equations


A = 4r + 3theta -2phi


The Attempt at a Solution


my question regards the setup of the integral, because the A vector is given in spherical coordinates i assume the rest of the integral must also be in spherical, however what would be the ds portion used for the line integral and because the figure is given in cartesian coordinates how do you convert those into spherical coordinates? If i remember correctly it would be split into a summation of 3 different integrals for each separate path, the first and second path should be easy enough given that they are straight lines, but the second path is an arc for which the equation in rectangular coordinates would be a2 = x2 + y2, but how would you convert this to spherical coordinates as well?
 
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HallsofIvy said:
On the straight line from (0,0,0) to (a, 0, 0), [itex]\rho[/itex] goes from 0 to a, [itex]\theta= 0[/itex] and [itex]\phi= \pi[/itex]. On the circular arc from (a, 0, 0) to (0, a, 0), [itex]\rho= a[/itex], [itex]\theta[/itex] goes from 0 to [itex]\pi/2a[/itex], and [itex]\phi= \pi[/itex]. On the straight line from (0, a, 0), [itex]\rho[/itex] goes from a to 0, [itex]\theta= \pi/2[/itex], and [itex]\phi= \pi[/itex]. That should be all you need.

As far as the surface integral is concerned, the path, and so the surface bounded by it, is entirely in the xy-plane so [itex]\phi= 0[/itex] for every point. You can write the "position vector" in terms of [itex]\rho[/itex] and [itex]\theta[/itex] as [itex]\vec r= \rho \vec\rho+ \theta\vec\theta+ \pi\vec\phi[/itex].
 

FAQ: Problems with conversions to spherical coordinates involving a line integral

1. What are spherical coordinates?

Spherical coordinates are a system of three-dimensional coordinates that represent a point in space using two angles (θ and φ) and a distance (r) from a fixed origin. These coordinates are useful for describing the position of objects in spherical shapes, such as planets or stars.

2. How are spherical coordinates used in line integrals?

Line integrals in spherical coordinates involve calculating the integral of a function over a curve or line in three-dimensional space. The coordinates are used to describe the position of the curve and the function is evaluated along the curve to determine the total value of the integral.

3. What are some common problems encountered when converting to spherical coordinates for line integrals?

Some common problems include difficulties in setting up the integral due to the complexity of the curve, confusion in determining the appropriate limits of integration, and errors in converting the function to spherical coordinates.

4. How can these problems be avoided or solved?

To avoid problems, it is important to have a clear understanding of spherical coordinates and how they relate to the given curve. Double-checking the conversion and carefully setting up the integral with correct limits of integration can also help prevent errors. If problems do arise, it may be helpful to break the curve into smaller segments or use alternative coordinate systems.

5. What are some real-world applications of line integrals using spherical coordinates?

Line integrals in spherical coordinates are commonly used in physics and engineering, such as determining the work done by a force on a curved path or calculating the electric field around a charged sphere. They are also used in fields such as astronomy and geology to study the behavior of objects in spherical shapes.

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