Problems with limits at infinity within improper integrals

In summary: You need to find another way to rewrite the expression before you can take the limit. In summary, the conversation discusses finding the limit as b approaches infinity for the indefinite integral ##\int_{2}^{\infty} ue^{-u} du##. The attempt at a solution involves finding the family of functions described by the indefinite integral and then finding the limit at infinity. The question arises about whether the expressions ##e^{-b}## and ##\Big(-b-1\Big)## cancel each other out and if the definite integral converges at ##3e^{-2}##. The conversation also touches on indeterminate forms in limits and the need to find another way to rewrite the expression before taking the limit.
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Homework Statement




##\int_{2}^{\infty} ue^{-u} du##


The Attempt at a Solution



What I did was find the family of functions described by the indefinite integral ##\int ue^{-u} du## then found the limit as b increases without bound. $$=\lim_{b\rightarrow \infty} -ue^{-u}-e^{-u}\mid_{2}^{b}$$ $$=\lim_{b\rightarrow \infty} \Big(-be^{-b}-e^{-b}\Big)~ -~ \Big(-2e^{-2}-e^{-2}\Big)$$ $$=\lim_{b\rightarrow \infty} e^{-b} \Big(-b-1\Big) + 3e^{-2}$$

My problem is trying to remember when ##e^{-b}## is approaching 0 and ##\Big(-b-1\Big)## is getting infinitely more negative...do they "cancel" each other out? Does that part of the limit approach 0 instead of ∞? And then does that mean that the definite integral converges at ##3e^{-2}## ?
 
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hi ninfinity! :smile:
ninfinity said:
My problem is trying to remember when ##e^{-b}## is approaching 0 and ##\Big(-b-1\Big)## is getting infinitely more negative...do they "cancel" each other out? Does that part of the limit approach 0 instead of ∞? And then does that mean that the definite integral converges at ##3e^{-2}## ?

you're asking whether be-b -> 0

that's b/eb

what does eb/b -> ? :wink:
 
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Isn't that ∞/∞? That doesn't make sense.
 
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what does b3/b2 –> as b -> ∞ ? :wink:
 
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ninfinity said:
Isn't that ∞/∞? That doesn't make sense.
∞/∞ isn't a number; it's an indeterminate form, as is 0/0 and several others. If you take a limit and get one of these indeterminate forms, it means you aren't done yet.
 

FAQ: Problems with limits at infinity within improper integrals

What are improper integrals?

Improper integrals are integrals where one or both of the limits of integration are infinite or the integrand is unbounded at one or more points within the interval of integration. This usually occurs when the function being integrated has a singularity or asymptote within the interval.

What are the types of improper integrals?

There are two types of improper integrals: Type 1, where one or both limits of integration are infinite, and Type 2, where the integrand is unbounded at one or more points within the interval of integration.

What are the problems with limits at infinity within improper integrals?

The main problem with limits at infinity within improper integrals is that they can lead to undefined or infinite values. This can make it difficult to evaluate the integral and can also affect the convergence or divergence of the integral.

How do you handle limits at infinity within improper integrals?

To handle limits at infinity within improper integrals, you can use various techniques such as substitution, partial fractions, and integration by parts. You can also use the comparison test to determine the convergence or divergence of the integral.

Why are limits at infinity important in improper integrals?

Limits at infinity are important in improper integrals because they determine the behavior of the function as it approaches infinity. This can affect the convergence or divergence of the integral and ultimately determine whether the integral can be evaluated or not.

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