Proof LaGrangian: Prove Ideal Gas Eqn w/ T, P, n, V, R

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In summary, the conversation discusses the ideal gas equation and its components, including the gas constant and temperature, and the process of proving it. It also mentions the Joule experiment and the Joule-Thompson experiment as well as the thermodynamic relation and its application to substances. The conversation ends with a request for a suitable textbook to further understand the concepts.
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As this thread implies i wanted to try to prove ideal gas equation pV=vnRT

where T is tempearture p is pressure n is mole V is volume and R is gas constant

and then I found that I had to prove la grangian

What I wonder about is given in thread here

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=574248

In the end of the thread it is said that someone her might be able to help me with a suitable textbook. Is that possible?
 
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Hello Georg,

As with strangerep in the other thread you started I am not sure what you are attempting, but you should look up the Joule experiment and the Joule-Thompson experiment.

They proved experimentally that the so called internal pressure of an ideal gas is zero.

This provides an alternative definition of an ideal gas as a gas with

[tex]{\left( {\frac{{\partial U}}{{\partial V}}} \right)_T} = 0[/tex]

You can use this plus Boyle's law to derive PV=NRT.

The following thermodynamic relation is also useful. this relates to all substances, not only ideal gasses.

[tex]{\left( {\frac{{\partial U}}{{\partial V}}} \right)_T} + P = T{\left( {\frac{{\partial P}}{{\partial T}}} \right)_V}[/tex]

By the way did you see my answer in your other thread about reversibility?
 

FAQ: Proof LaGrangian: Prove Ideal Gas Eqn w/ T, P, n, V, R

What is the Proof LaGrangian?

The Proof LaGrangian is a mathematical proof that allows us to derive the Ideal Gas Equation using the variables of temperature (T), pressure (P), number of moles (n), volume (V), and the universal gas constant (R).

How does the Proof LaGrangian relate to the Ideal Gas Equation?

The Proof LaGrangian provides a way to mathematically derive the Ideal Gas Equation from first principles. It shows the relationship between the variables of temperature, pressure, number of moles, and volume in an ideal gas system.

What is the significance of using the Proof LaGrangian to prove the Ideal Gas Equation?

Using the Proof LaGrangian to prove the Ideal Gas Equation allows us to understand the underlying principles and assumptions behind the equation. It also allows us to generalize the equation to other systems and conditions.

What are the key steps in the Proof LaGrangian?

The key steps in the Proof LaGrangian involve using the Lagrangian function to represent the total energy of a system, and then applying the Euler-Lagrange equation to find the minimum energy state of the system. This minimum energy state corresponds to the ideal gas state, and can be translated into the Ideal Gas Equation.

How does the Proof LaGrangian take into account the different variables in the Ideal Gas Equation?

The Proof LaGrangian incorporates the variables of temperature, pressure, number of moles, and volume into the Lagrangian function, and then uses the Euler-Lagrange equation to find the minimum energy state of the system. This minimum energy state corresponds to the Ideal Gas Equation, which takes into account all of these variables in an ideal gas system.

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