Proof of dU=TdS-PdV: dw=PdV Not dw=PdV+vdP

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In summary, according to the conversation, when proving the equation dU=TdS-PdV, dw=PdV instead of dw=PdV+vdP because work is only done if there is a change in volume, and VdP is part of the internal energy of the gas.
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When proving the equation,
dU=TdS-PdV

why is dw= PdV not dw= PdV +vdP?
 
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I think it is as you wrote, but don't quote me. I'm at school and don't have my book infront of me.
 
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When proving the equation,
dU=TdS-PdV

why is dw= PdV not dw= PdV +vdP?
Work (force x distance) is done only if the pressure (force/area) acts over some change in volume (area x distance moved). If there is no change in volume, the force does not act over any distance - ie. the pressure just builds up but does not move anything (ie. it just increases internal energy). So, VdP is part of the internal energy of the gas, not the work done by the gas.

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FAQ: Proof of dU=TdS-PdV: dw=PdV Not dw=PdV+vdP

What is the meaning of "Proof of dU=TdS-PdV: dw=PdV Not dw=PdV+vdP"?

This statement is known as the first law of thermodynamics, which states that the change in internal energy (dU) of a system is equal to the sum of the heat transfer (TdS) and work done (PdV) on the system. The second part of the statement, "dw=PdV Not dw=PdV+vdP", emphasizes that the work done by the system is only equal to PdV, not PdV+vdP as often assumed.

How is dU related to TdS and PdV?

As stated in the first law of thermodynamics, dU is equal to the sum of TdS and PdV. This means that any change in internal energy is a result of changes in temperature (T), entropy (S), and volume (V) of the system.

Why is it important to consider dw=PdV instead of dw=PdV+vdP?

The second part of the statement, dw=PdV Not dw=PdV+vdP, is important because it clarifies that the work done by a system is not equal to PdV+vdP. This is a common misconception and can lead to incorrect calculations.

Can you provide an example of how this equation is used in science?

The first law of thermodynamics, dU=TdS-PdV: dw=PdV Not dw=PdV+vdP, is used in many branches of science, including chemistry, physics, and engineering. For example, in chemical reactions, the change in internal energy of a system can be calculated using the heat transfer (TdS) and work done (PdV) on the system.

What are some real-world applications of this equation?

The first law of thermodynamics has many practical applications, such as in the design and operation of heat engines, refrigeration systems, and power plants. It is also used in fields such as meteorology, where it helps explain atmospheric phenomena such as the formation of clouds and the Earth's energy balance.

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