Prove a system has no real solutions

  • MHB
  • Thread starter anemone
  • Start date
  • Tags
    System
In summary, proving a system has no real solutions involves using mathematical techniques to demonstrate that the system of equations or inequalities does not have any real number solutions. This is important for understanding the behavior of the system, identifying errors, and guiding further research. Common methods for proving this include substitution, elimination, graphing, and contradiction. It is possible for a system to have no real solutions but still have complex solutions involving imaginary numbers. This concept has many real-life applications in engineering, economics, and physics.
  • #1
anemone
Gold Member
MHB
POTW Director
3,883
115
Prove that for any natural number $n$, the equation $y(y+1)(y+2)\cdots(y+2n-1)+(y+2n+1)(y+2n+2)\cdots(y+4n)=0$ does not have real solutions.
 
Mathematics news on Phys.org
  • #2
Let x = y + 2n
so we get
$T_1+T_2$ where
$T_1 = (x+1)(x+2)\cdots(x+2n)$
$T_2 = (x-1)(x-2)\cdots(x-2n)$
we need to check various ranges
x = 0 then both $T_1$ and $T_2$ both are positive so sum is positive
$x \gt 2n$ or $x \lt - 2n$ Both are positive so sum is positive
$x \gt 0$ and $x\lt 2n$ each term of $T_1$ is numerically greater than corresponding term of $T_2$ ( to take care of -ve terms) so $|T_1|$ greater than $T_2$ and hence the sum > 0 (note $T_1$ is positive and $T_2$ can be -ve)
$x \gt 0$ and $x\lt 2n$ each term of $|T_2|$ s numerically greater than( this is -ve so absolute value) corresponding term of $|T_1|$ ( to take care of -ve terms) so $|T_2|$ greater than $|T_1|$ and hence the sum > 0 (note $T_2$ is positive and $T_1$ can be -ve)

we have shown that value is positive for all x so for all y and hence no solution
 
  • #3
Very well done, kaliprasad!

On the other hand, one could also see that

With $x = y + 2n$,

$\begin{align*}T&=y(y+1)(y+2)\cdots(y+2n-1)+(y+2n+1)(y+2n+2)\cdots(y+4n)\\&=T_1+T_2\\&=(x+1)(x+2)\cdots(x+2n)+(x-1)(x-2)\cdots(x-2n)\end{align*}$

Note that when we expand the products of the two terms on the right, the terms of the odd powers of $x$ all cancel out, and we get a sum involving only even powers of $x$ with positive coefficients.

Hence, $T>0$ for all real $x$ and therefore there is no real solutions for the original equation.
 

FAQ: Prove a system has no real solutions

What does it mean to "prove a system has no real solutions"?

Proving a system has no real solutions means to demonstrate, using mathematical techniques, that the system of equations or inequalities does not have any real number solutions. In other words, there is no value for the variable(s) that satisfies all of the equations or inequalities in the system.

Why is it important to prove that a system has no real solutions?

Proving a system has no real solutions is important because it allows us to understand the behavior of the system and make accurate predictions. It also helps to identify any errors or inconsistencies in the system and can guide further research or analysis.

What are some common methods used to prove a system has no real solutions?

Some common methods used to prove a system has no real solutions include substitution, elimination, graphing, and contradiction. These methods involve manipulating the equations or inequalities in the system to show that there is no real number solution.

Can a system have no real solutions, but still have complex solutions?

Yes, a system can have no real solutions but still have complex solutions. A complex solution involves the use of imaginary numbers, which are not real numbers. This means that the solutions are not part of the real number system, but they can still satisfy the equations or inequalities in the system.

Are there any real-life applications for proving a system has no real solutions?

Yes, proving a system has no real solutions has many real-life applications, such as in engineering, economics, and physics. For example, in engineering, understanding when a system has no real solutions can help identify potential design flaws or limitations. In economics, it can help predict market trends or identify situations where no solution exists. In physics, it can aid in understanding the behavior of complex systems and making accurate predictions.

Similar threads

Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
15
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
1K
Replies
10
Views
784
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
4
Views
2K
Replies
1
Views
978
Replies
6
Views
975
Back
Top