Prove Binomial Identity: Differentiation vs Subsitution

In summary, the conversation discusses the proof of an identity using the binomial theorem and substitution. The identity states that k times the combination of n and k equals n times the combination of n-1 and k-1. The conversation also explores the use of the binomial theorem in solving the problem and simplifying the expression. Ultimately, the conversation concludes with the final answer being n times the sum of combinations of n-1 and l, where l ranges from 1 to n-1.
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chaotixmonjuish
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Prove this using this identity:
[tex]
k\binom{n}{k}=n\binom{n-1}{k-1}
[/tex]
[tex]
\binom{n}{1}-2\binom{n}{2}+3\binom{n}{3}+...+(-1)n-1\binom{n}{n}
[/tex]

I was able to do this via differentiation, but not using this substitution. Any hints would be great.
 
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Hi chaotixmonjuish! :smile:

(use ^ and _ not sup and sub in latex :wink:)
chaotixmonjuish said:
Prove this using this identity:
[tex]
k\binom{n}{k}=n\binom{n-1}{k-1}
[/tex]
[tex]
\binom{n}{1}-2\binom{n}{2}+3\binom{n}{3}+...+(-1)n-1\binom{n}{n}
[/tex]

I was able to do this via differentiation, but not using this substitution. Any hints would be great.

Well, the n is the same all the way through, that leaves a sum which should be easy. :wink:
 
  • #3
what do you mean?
 
  • #4
chaotixmonjuish said:
what do you mean?

Show us what you get when you substitute. :smile:
 
  • #5
Well this is something I sort of worked out:

[tex]
\binom{n}{1}-2\binom{n}{2}+...+(-1)^k\binom{n}{n}
[/tex]
Using the binomial theorem
[tex]
\sum_{k=0}^{n}\binom{n}{k}x^{k}=(1+x)^{n}
[/tex]
Are you saying I can just throw in the identity without doing anything or would I have to multiply across with a k so that
[tex]
\sum_{k=0}^{n}k\binom{n}{k}x^{k-1}=k(1+x)^{n}
[/tex]
so that
[tex]
\sum_{k=1}^{n-1}n\binom{n-1}{k-1}=k(x)^{k-1}
[/tex]
[tex]
\sum_{l=0}^{n}n\binom{n-1}{l}x^{k-1}
[/tex]

I'm ignoring 1 because 1 to any power is 1
 
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Why are you making this so complicated? :redface:

Start with [tex]
\sum_{l=0}^{n-1}n\binom{n-1}{l}
[/tex] …

what (in ordinary language) is (i'm leaving out the n :wink:) …

[tex]
\sum_{l=0}^{n-1}\binom{n-1}{l}
[/tex] ? :smile:
 
  • #7
Well k-1=n, if that is what you are hinting at.
 
  • #8
No … what (in ordinary language) is [tex]\binom{n-1}{l}
[/tex] (or n-1Cl) …

it's the number of … ? :smile:
 
  • #9
Its sort of like saying its the number of ways you can select a leader (n), then how many different ways you can't form a team for leader [tex]\binom{n-1}{l}[/tex]
 
  • #10
chaotixmonjuish said:
Its sort of like saying its the number of ways you can select a leader (n), then how many different ways you can't form a team for leader [tex]\binom{n-1}{l}[/tex]

Yes …

n-1Cl is the number of ways of choosing l things from n-1 …

so (to get the ∑) what is the number of ways of choosing 1 thing or 2 things or … n-1 things from n-1? :smile:
 
  • #11
so would the final answer be

[tex]
n\sum_{k=1}^{n-1} \binom{n-1}{l}x^{l-1}
[/tex]
 
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chaotixmonjuish said:
so would the final answer be

[tex]
n\sum_{k=1}^{n-1} \binom{n-1}{l}x^{l-1}
[/tex]

i said you were making this complicated :rolleyes:

wherever did x come from? :confused:

(and you never answered:
what is the number of ways of choosing 1 thing or 2 things or … n-1 things from n-1?
)
 

FAQ: Prove Binomial Identity: Differentiation vs Subsitution

What is a binomial identity?

A binomial identity is a mathematical equation that relates the coefficients of a binomial expansion to the powers of the variables in the expansion. It is also known as a binomial theorem.

What is differentiation?

Differentiation is a mathematical operation that involves finding the rate of change of a function with respect to its input variables. It is the process of finding the derivative of a function.

What is substitution?

Substitution is the process of replacing one or more variables in a mathematical expression with specific values or other expressions. It is often used to simplify or solve equations.

How does differentiation prove the binomial identity?

Differentiation can be used to prove the binomial identity by showing that the derivatives of the binomial expansion and the original function are equal at all values of the input variables. This demonstrates that the coefficients and powers in the binomial expansion are correctly related.

How does substitution prove the binomial identity?

Substitution can be used to prove the binomial identity by replacing the variables in the binomial expansion with specific values and showing that the resulting expression is equal to the original function. This demonstrates that the coefficients and powers in the binomial expansion are correctly related.

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