Prove or find counterexamples

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In summary, the discussion is about the binary product and the property of associativity. The question was whether the element ((a,b),c) is equal to (a,(b,c)) in the binary product, and the answer is yes, they are equal. The property of associativity states that for any real numbers a, b, and c, their product will always be the same regardless of their grouping.
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..using only the definition of the binary product:

for any sets A, B, C in a universe U:

(A x B) x C = A x (B x C)

I have no clue how to even get started with this one. Somebody help me please!
 
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Typically you would want to show that both inclusions are true...but in this case...is the element [tex]((a,b),c) = (a,(b,c))[/tex] ?
 
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daveyinaz said:
Typically you would want to show that both inclusions are true...but in this case...is the element [tex]((a,b),c) = (a,(b,c))[/tex] ?

Yes, they're equal. It's called the Associative Property of Multiplication.

The property which states that for all real numbers a, b, and c, their product is always the same, regardless of their grouping:
(a . b) . c = a . (b . c)
 
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I'm sorry..I didn't read the your post correctly if that's the case..was thinking cartesian product.
 
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mbcsantin said:
Yes, they're equal. It's called the Associative Property of Multiplication.

The property which states that for all real numbers a, b, and c, their product is always the same, regardless of their grouping:
(a . b) . c = a . (b . c)

Then please go back and ask whatever question you are REALLY asking. In your original post, A, B, and C are sets. Now you are telling us that they are real numbers. Also in your first post you asked about proving "A x(B x C)= (A x B)x C" but now you are saying that is the "Associative Property of Multiplication" which apparently you are accepting as true. At this point, I have no idea what your question really is!
 

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