Prove that a cubic has no rational roots

In summary, the conversation discusses the task of proving that the acute angle whose cosine is 1/10 cannot be trisected with straightedge and compass. One potential approach is to prove that the cubic polynomial 40x3 - 30x -1 has no rational roots, but this requires using the rational root test. The conversation then explores other potential methods using divisibility and elementary number theory, but ultimately concludes that the rational root test is the most effective approach.
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kingwinner
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1) Prove that the acute angle whose cosine is 1/10 cannot be trisected with straightedge and compass.

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I worked it out and at the end found out that , if I can prove that the cubic polynomial 40x3 - 30x -1 has no rational roots, then I am done.

Now, is there any way to prove (e.g. divisibility, elementary number theory) that 40x3 - 30x -1 has no rational roots without using the rational root test? (since it is very long and tedious and no calculators are allowed)

I was trying to prove this by contradiction.
Suppose x=m/n is a rational root in lowest terms.
But I am stuck at arriving at a contradiction...how can I possibly do so?


Any insights?

Thanks for any help!
 
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kingwinner said:
I worked it out and at the end found out that , if I can prove that the cubic polynomial 40x3 - 30x -1 has no rational roots, then I am done.

Hi kingwinner! :smile:

The rational root theorem says that any rational root of a_nx^n + … + a_0, can be written as p/q, where p is a factor of a_0 and q is a factor of a_n.

So any rational root of your equation must be of the form ±1/b, where b is a factor of 40.

b can only be 1 2 4 8 5 10 20 or 40.

Now, the turning-points of the function are at 120x^2 = 30, or x = ±1/2.

At x = 1/2, the function is -11. At x = 0, it is -1.

So between x = 0 and 1/2 it is negative.

So that immediately eliminates all possible positive roots except 1.

At x = -1/2, it is 9. So there is one root between -1/2 and 0.

If I were you, I'd start by checking one of the highest possible negative roots! :smile:
 
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Hi,

Thanks very much! But is there any way to prove it using divisibility and elementary number theory? (since this question is from a non-calculus based course)

I have a rough idea, but just can't finish it:
We want to prove that 40x3 - 30x -1 has no rational roots
40x3 - 30x -1 = 0
Suppose (proof by contradiction) x=m/n is a rational root in lowest terms
=> 40m3 - 30mn2 - n3 =0
=> 40m3 - 30mn2 = n3

If p is a prime and p|m, then p|n3 => p|n since p is a prime which contradicts that x=m/n is in lowest terms => no such p => m=+/-1

Similarly, if q is a prime and q|n, then q|40m3 , and now I am stuck...since this argument above does not seem to work here due to the "40" appearing here...
 
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kingwinner said:
If p is a prime and p|m, then p|n3 => p|n since p is a prime which contradicts that x=m/n is in lowest terms => no such p => m=+/-1

Yes, very good! You have just proved half of the rational root theorem! :smile:

In the letters of my previous post, your m is my p, which has to be ±1.

And your n is my q = b, which has to be 1 2 4 8 5 10 20 or 40.
 
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...Similarly, if q is a prime and q|n, then q|40m3
=>q|m or q|40 (since q is prime)

q|m => contradicts gcd(m,n)=1 => no such q => n=+/-1 => x = m/n = +/-1
q|40=> ?

What does q|40 imply?
 
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Nothing more than ±q = 1 2 4 8 5 10 20 or 40, I'm afraid. :redface:
 
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Oh, that's right! So I think the rational root test is the only way to go...after all
 

FAQ: Prove that a cubic has no rational roots

What is a cubic equation?

A cubic equation is a polynomial equation of the form ax^3 + bx^2 + cx + d = 0, where a, b, c, and d are constants and x is the variable. It is called a cubic equation because the highest power of x is 3.

What are rational roots?

Rational roots are numbers that can be expressed as a ratio of two integers. In other words, they can be written as a fraction in the form p/q, where p and q are integers and q is not equal to 0.

Why is it important to prove that a cubic has no rational roots?

Proving that a cubic has no rational roots is important because it helps us understand the behavior of the equation and find its solutions. It also allows us to determine whether a given cubic equation can be solved using only rational numbers or if it requires the use of complex numbers.

How can we prove that a cubic has no rational roots?

We can prove that a cubic has no rational roots by using the Rational Root Theorem. This theorem states that if a polynomial equation has rational roots, they must be in the form p/q, where p is a factor of the constant term and q is a factor of the leading coefficient. By checking all possible combinations of p/q, we can determine if the equation has any rational roots.

What if a cubic does have rational roots?

If a cubic does have rational roots, then we can use the Rational Root Theorem to find them and solve the equation. However, if the cubic has no rational roots, we will need to use other methods, such as the Quadratic Formula or factoring, to find its solutions.

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