Prove that K is a tensor using quotient theorem

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Homework Statement
Prove that ##K_{ij}## is a tensor using quotient theorem.
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Tensor analysis and quotient theorem.
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$$K'_{ij}A'_{jk}=B'_{ik}=a_{ip}a_{kq}B_{pq}=a_{ip}a_{kq}K_{pr}A_{rq}=a_{ip}a_{kq}K_{pr}a_{jr}a_{kq}A'_{jk}$$$$K'_{ij}=a_{ip}a_{kq}a_{kq}a_{jr}K_{pr}$$

Can someone point out my mistake? What I've found shows that K is not a tensor.
It is different from my book and I cannot find my mistake. According to book K should be a 2nd-rank tensor.
 
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You use k for a dummy/summation index on the right, but it is already used as a free index on the left.
 
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Hill said:
You use k for a dummy/summation index on the right, but it is already used as a free index on the left.
In last step I want to write ##A_{rq}## in prime corrdinates. So I had to use "k" again ... I wanted to prove using this method which is used by the book. Does this method work for my question in post #1?
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MatinSAR said:
So I had to use "k" again
But you can't. "k" is fixed by the left side of the equation, so you can't "sum for all k" on the right side of the equation.
MatinSAR said:
Does this method work for my question in post #1?
I'd rather convert the ##K_{ij}A_{jk}=B_{ik}## into a ##X_{ijk}C_{j}=B_{ik}## and apply the quotient rule you already have.
 
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Hill said:
But you can't. "k" is fixed by the left side of the equation, so you can't "sum for all k" on the right side of the equation.

I'd rather convert the ##K_{ij}A_{jk}=B_{ik}## into a ##X_{ijk}C_{j}=B_{ik}## and apply the quotient rule you already have.
Then I will find out what is ##X##. But questions asks for ##K##.
 
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$$X'_{ijk}C'_j=B'_{ik}=a_{ip}a_{kq}B_{pq}=a_{ip}a_{kq}X_{prq}C_r$$ $$X'_{ijk}C'_j=a_{ip}a_{kq}X_{prq}a_{jr}C'_j$$$$X'_{ijk}=a_{ip}a_{jr}a_{kq}X_{prq}$$

I've proved it's a 3rd-rank tensor. But still I don't see how it helps me to prove that ##K## is a 2nd-rank tensor.
 
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MatinSAR said:
$$X'_{ijk}C'_j=B'_{ik}=a_{ip}a_{kq}B_{pq}=a_{ip}a_{kq}X_{prq}C_r$$ $$X'_{ijk}C'_j=a_{ip}a_{kq}X_{prq}a_{jr}C'_j$$$$X'_{ijk}=a_{ip}a_{jr}a_{kq}X_{prq}$$

I've proved it's a 3rd-rank tensor. But still I don't see how it helps me to prove that ##K## is a 2nd-rank tensor.
Very well. Now, back to ##K_{ij}A_{jk}=B_{ik}##.
Since ##A_{jk}## is arbitrary, we can take it as ##A_{jk}=C_j D_k##. Then we have ##K_{ij}C_j D_k=B_{ik}##.
Let ##X_{ijk}=K_{ij}D_k##. Then ##X_{ijk}C_j=B_{ik}##. You've shown that it makes ##X_{ijk}## a tensor.
So, now you have ##K_{ij}D_k=X_{ijk}##. Show that ##K_{ij}## is a tensor.
 
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Hill said:
Very well. Now, back to ##K_{ij}A_{jk}=B_{ik}##.
Since ##A_{jk}## is arbitrary, we can take it as ##A_{jk}=C_j D_k##. Then we have ##K_{ij}C_j D_k=B_{ik}##.
Let ##X_{ijk}=K_{ij}D_k##. Then ##X_{ijk}C_j=B_{ik}##. You've shown that it makes ##X_{ijk}## a tensor.
So, now you have ##K_{ij}D_k=X_{ijk}##. Show that ##K_{ij}## is a tensor.
Great! What a clever idea! Thanks a lot for your help @Hill ...

I'll try. I hope I will be able to prove.
 
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Sadly I wasn't able to prove for the same reason which was mentioned is post #1.
$$K'_{ij}D'_k=X'_{ijk}=a_{ip}a_{jq}a_{kr}X_{pqr}=a_{ip}a_{jq}a_{kr}K_{pq}D_{r}=a_{ip}a_{jq}a_{kr}K_{pq}a_{kr}D'_k$$$$K'_{ij}=a_{ip}a_{jq}a_{kr}a_{kr}K_{pq}$$

I am trying to use my book's method. This method worked for equation in post #6 but It doesn't work for equation in post #1 and it doesn't work in this post as well ... I dont know why !
 
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MatinSAR said:
@Hill
Sadly I wasn't able to prove for the same reason which was mentioned is post #1.
$$K'_{ij}D'_k=X'_{ijk}=a_{ip}a_{jq}a_{kr}X_{pqr}=a_{ip}a_{jq}a_{kr}K_{pq}D_{r}=a_{ip}a_{jq}a_{kr}K_{pq}a_{kr}D'_k$$$$K'_{ij}=a_{ip}a_{jq}a_{kr}a_{kr}K_{pq}$$

I am trying to use my book's method. This method worked for equation in post #6 but It doesn't work for equation in post #1 and it doesn't work in this post as well ... I dont know why !
##K'_{ij}D'_k=X'_{ijk}=a_{ip}a_{jq}a_{kr}X_{pqr}=a_{ip}a_{jq}a_{kr}K_{pq}D_{r}=a_{ip}a_{jq}K_{pq}a_{kr}D_{r}=a_{ip}a_{jq}K_{pq}D'_k##
 
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##K'_{ij}D'_k=X'_{ijk}=a_{ip}a_{jq}a_{kr}X_{pqr}=a_{ip}a_{jq}a_{kr}K_{pq}D_{r}=a_{ip}a_{jq}K_{pq}a_{kr}D_{r}=a_{ip}a_{jq}K_{pq}D'_k##
I've found my mistake. Thanks for your help @Hill ;)
 
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FAQ: Prove that K is a tensor using quotient theorem

What is the quotient theorem in the context of tensors?

The quotient theorem states that if a multilinear map, when contracted with any tensor, always produces a tensor, then the original multilinear map must itself be a tensor. This theorem is crucial in proving that certain mathematical objects are tensors by examining their behavior under contraction with other tensors.

How do you apply the quotient theorem to prove that K is a tensor?

To apply the quotient theorem, you start by considering a multilinear map involving K. You then contract this map with arbitrary tensors and show that the resulting object is always a tensor. If this condition holds for all possible contractions, the quotient theorem guarantees that K itself is a tensor.

What are the prerequisites for understanding the quotient theorem?

To understand the quotient theorem, you should have a solid grasp of tensor algebra, including concepts like multilinear maps, contraction, and the definition of a tensor. Familiarity with the properties and operations involving tensors, such as addition, scalar multiplication, and tensor products, is also essential.

Can you provide an example of proving that a specific K is a tensor using the quotient theorem?

Consider a bilinear map K: V* x V → R, where V is a vector space and V* is its dual. To prove K is a tensor, take arbitrary tensors A in V* and B in V. Form the contraction K(A, B). If this contraction is always a scalar (a 0th-order tensor), then by the quotient theorem, K must be a (1,1) tensor, meaning it has one covariant and one contravariant index.

Why is the quotient theorem important in tensor analysis?

The quotient theorem is important because it provides a method to verify that a given mathematical object is a tensor without directly checking all the tensor transformation properties. This can simplify many problems in physics and engineering, where tensors are used to describe physical quantities and their transformations under coordinate changes.

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