Proving 3 Non-Coplanar Vectors with Position Vector r

In summary, the conversation is discussing the representation of a position vector in space using non-coplanar vectors a, b, and c. The formula for the position vector is shown to be r = λa + μb + γc, where λ, μ, and γ are real numbers. The conversation then goes on to show that the dot product of r with the cross product of b and c is equal to the dot product of λa with the same cross product. The conversation also discusses the dot product of r with the cross product of a and b, as well as with the cross product of c and a. The purpose of this conversation is to understand the mathematical relationship between the components of the position vector and the cross products of
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kidsmoker
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Hi there, I'm a bit stuck on this question:

" Given 3 non-coplanar vectors a, b and c convince yourself that the position vector r of any point in space may be represented by

r = λa + μb + γc

for some real numbers λ, μ and γ.

Show that

r.(bxc) = λa.(bxc) ,

r.(axb) = γa.(bxc) ,

r.(cxa) = μa.(bxc) . "


I understand how they get the first one - the cross product of b and c is perpendicular to both of them, so won't contain any b or c components. Hence when you do the dot product you'll be multiplying the b and c bits of r by zero so they disappear. However I don't get the other two...?

Please help!
 
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kidsmoker said:
r = λa + μb + γc

for some real numbers λ, μ and γ.

Show that

r.(bxc) = λa.(bxc) ,

r.(axb) = γa.(bxc) ,

r.(cxa) = μa.(bxc) . "

I understand how they get the first one - the cross product of b and c is perpendicular to both of them, so won't contain any b or c components. Hence when you do the dot product you'll be multiplying the b and c bits of r by zero so they disappear. However I don't get the other two...?

HI kidsmoker! :smile:

No, you're kidding yourself … you don't understand how they got the first one.

They got it by dot-producting both sides of r = λa + μb + γ with (bxc).

Now try dot-producting both sides of r = λa + μb + γ with (axb) instead …

what do you get? :smile:
 
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tiny-tim said:
They got it by dot-producting both sides of r = λa + μb + γ with (bxc).

Now try dot-producting both sides of r = λa + μb + γ with (axb) instead …

I thought that's what I was doing? axb will be perpendicular to both a and b so won't contain a or b components? So when you dot it with r surely the a and b parts of r will be multiplied by zero?

Btw did you mean to put r = λa + μb + γc rather than r = λa + μb + γ or am I just confused?

Thanks.
 

FAQ: Proving 3 Non-Coplanar Vectors with Position Vector r

What is the definition of coplanar vectors?

Coplanar vectors are vectors that lie in the same plane. This means that they can be drawn on a two-dimensional surface without any of the vectors crossing over or intersecting each other.

How do I determine if three vectors are non-coplanar?

To determine if three vectors are non-coplanar, you can use the cross product. If the cross product of any two of the vectors does not equal the third vector, then the vectors are non-coplanar.

Why is proving three non-coplanar vectors important?

Proving that three vectors are non-coplanar is important because it allows us to understand the relationship between the vectors in three-dimensional space. It also allows us to perform vector operations, such as addition and subtraction, accurately.

Can three vectors be non-coplanar in any dimension?

Yes, three vectors can be non-coplanar in any dimension. The concept of coplanarity and non-coplanarity applies to all dimensions, not just three-dimensional space.

What is the significance of position vector r in proving three non-coplanar vectors?

The position vector r represents the starting point of the vector. It helps us visualize the direction and magnitude of the vector in relation to other vectors and points in space. In proving three non-coplanar vectors, the position vector r is used to determine if the three vectors are in the same plane or not.

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