Proving order relation of real number

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In summary, the conversation discusses proving two statements: "if a>0, then -a>0" and "if a<b, then -a>-b." The axioms of real numbers can be applied to solve these problems. Through direct proof and proof by contradiction, the conversation concludes that both statements are true. The definition of "-a" as the additive inverse of "a" is used in the proof.
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Homework Statement


If a>0, then -a>0. Moreover, if a<b, then -a>-b


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axioms of real numbers can be applied


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I am not sure what am I suppose to prove. So what I did was trying to prove "if a<b, then -a>-b" given that "If a>0, then -a>0."

I tried the direct proof method:
Suppose a<b, since we are given -a<a. So, -a<a<b. But I don't know how to bring -b in as the question didn't specify anything about b. So do I do 2 cases as in when b>0 and b<0?

I've also tried proof by contradiction:
Assuming a<b and -a<-b
But I don't know how to start ><

Need help! Thanks sooo much
 
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I believe those are two different problems:
1) Prove that: If a> 0 then -a< 0.

2) Prove that: if a> b then -a< -b.

Now, how are "-a" and "-b" defined?
 
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So firstly I need to prove this statement "If a>0, -a<0" ?

what do you mean by how is it defined?? Like -a is defined to be <0?
 
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Or like -a = -a + 0
and -b = -b + 0
-b = -b + (a+(-a))
-b = (-b+a)+(-a) > -a??
 
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Oh! I found out a way but not sure about it

-b = -b+0
-b = -b+(a+(-a))
-b = (-b+a)+(-a)
Since a<b, (-b+a)<0
So, -b = (-b+a)+(-a) < -a
Therefore, -b < -a when a<b...

Is this prove alright??
 
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Lily@pie said:
Or like -a = -a + 0
and -b = -b + 0
-b = -b + (a+(-a))
-b = (-b+a)+(-a) > -a??
Better. -a is defined as the "additive inverse" of a or simply a+ (-a)= 0.

Lily@pie said:
Oh! I found out a way but not sure about it


-b = -b+0
-b = -b+(a+(-a))
-b = (-b+a)+(-a)
Since a<b, (-b+a)<0
So, -b = (-b+a)+(-a) < -a
Therefore, -b < -a when a<b...

Is this prove alright??
Pretty good. Slightly simpler would be
a< b
a+(-a)< b+ (-a)
0< b+ -a

Can you finish that?

Proving "if 0< a then -a< 0" should be simpler.
 
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Yup yup ^^

a< b
a+(-a)< b+ (-a)
0< b+ -a
0+(-b)<b+ -a + -b
-b < (b+(-b))+-a
-b<-a

yay! Thanks so much
 

FAQ: Proving order relation of real number

How do you prove an order relation of real numbers?

To prove an order relation of real numbers, you need to show that for any two real numbers x and y, either x is less than y, x is greater than y, or x is equal to y. This can be done using axioms and properties of real numbers, such as the transitive, reflexive, and antisymmetric properties.

What is the significance of proving an order relation of real numbers?

Proving an order relation of real numbers is important because it allows us to compare and order real numbers, which is crucial in many mathematical and scientific applications. It also helps us understand the structure and properties of the real number system.

Can you give an example of proving an order relation of real numbers?

Yes, for example, to prove that 3 is greater than 2, we can show that 3-2=1, which is a positive number. This follows the property of transitivity, as 3-2 is also greater than 2-1, and 2-1 is greater than 0.

Are there any exceptions to the order relation of real numbers?

No, the order relation of real numbers holds true for all real numbers, including positive and negative numbers, fractions, and irrational numbers. However, it may not apply to complex numbers, as they have both real and imaginary parts.

Are there any common mistakes to avoid when proving an order relation of real numbers?

One common mistake to avoid is assuming that if x is greater than y, then x-y is also greater than 0. This is not always true, as x and y can be negative, resulting in a negative difference. It is important to carefully follow the axioms and properties of real numbers when proving an order relation.

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