Proving the Modulus of sin(z) is Greater or Equal to sin(x)

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In summary, the conversation is about the modulus of complex numbers and a specific problem involving sin(z). The conversation includes a reminder that the forum only provides help, not solutions. The conversation also includes some calculations and questions regarding the topic. The conclusion is that the modulus of sin(z) is greater than or equal to the modulus of sin(x).
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hi to all
can i obtain the answer of this problem :
show that :

modulus of (sin z ) > = modulus of (sin X )

where z = x + i Y
 
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What do you know about the modulus of complex numbers?

Note that on these forums we do not do proplems for you, we help, YOU do them.
 
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also i am asking about this problem :

what part of z - plane corresponds to the interior of the unit circle in the w-plane if
a) -w = (z-1)/(z+1)
b) -w = (z - i)/(z + i)
 
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Integral said:
What do you know about the modulus of complex numbers?

Note that on these forums we do not do proplems for you, we help, YOU do them.

i can say that
(modulus fo sin z )^2 = sin z * (sin z )*
 
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One proplem per thread please. Now what has your first post got to do with sin(z)?
 
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Integral said:
One proplem per thread please. Now what has your first post got to do with sin(z)?

really i am sorry ..

sin z = ( exp i(x+iy) - exp -i(x+iy))/2i
( sin z )* = exp ( -i(x-iy) - exp ( i(x-iy)/(-2i)

(mod. (sin z) )^2 = ( exp i(x+iy) - exp -i(x+iy))/2i * exp ( -i(x-iy) - exp ( i(x-iy)/(-2i)

is this step good ?
 
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Your original post is asking about the modulus of a complex number; no question here involves sin(z). Unless you specify what you're trying to answer we can't help
 
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Office_Shredder said:
Your original post is asking about the modulus of a complex number; no question here involves sin(z). Unless you specify what you're trying to answer we can't help

agin i am sorry ... i mean sin z
and sin x

thank u
 
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no one will try with me !

ok
i say : sin z = sin ( x + iy ) = sin x cos iy + cos x sin iy
= sin x cosh y - i cos x sinh y

modulus (sin z) > = modulus ( sin x cosh y) - modulus ( i cos x sinh y)

is this trueeeeeeeeee
 
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where r uuuuuuuuuuu
 
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shnaiwer said:
no one will try with me !

ok
i say : sin z = sin ( x + iy ) = sin x cos iy + cos x sin iy
= sin x cosh y - i cos x sinh y

That much is true. The rest isn't. Find the square of the modulus of sin(z) by multiplying sin(z) by it's complex conjugate.
 
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Dick said:
That much is true. The rest isn't. Find the square of the modulus of sin(z) by multiplying sin(z) by it's complex conjugate.

thanx ... a lot
i tried and wrote the following ..

Sin ( z ) = sin ( x + iy )
= sin x cos iy + sin iy cos x
= sin x cosh y + i sinh y cos x

Now
│sin z │2 = ( sin x ) 2 ( cosh y ) 2 + ( sinh y)2 (cos x )2
= ( sin x ) 2 ( cosh y ) 2 + ( sinh y)2 (1 – ( sin x ) 2)
= ( sin x ) 2 ( cosh y ) 2 + ( sinh y)2 - ( sinh y)2 ( sin x ) 2
= ( sin x ) 2 (( cosh y ) 2 - ( sinh y)2 ) + ( sinh y)2
so , we have

│sin z │2 = ( sin x ) 2 + ( sinh y)2

but the problem of y variable still hold !

can i say that :
( sin x ) 2 + ( sinh y)2 >= ( sin x ) 2 ?
 
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shnaiwer said:
thanx ... a lot
i tried and wrote the following ..

Sin ( z ) = sin ( x + iy )
= sin x cos iy + sin iy cos x
= sin x cosh y + i sinh y cos x

Now
│sin z │2 = ( sin x ) 2 ( cosh y ) 2 + ( sinh y)2 (cos x )2
= ( sin x ) 2 ( cosh y ) 2 + ( sinh y)2 (1 – ( sin x ) 2)
= ( sin x ) 2 ( cosh y ) 2 + ( sinh y)2 - ( sinh y)2 ( sin x ) 2
= ( sin x ) 2 (( cosh y ) 2 - ( sinh y)2 ) + ( sinh y)2
so , we have

│sin z │2 = ( sin x ) 2 + ( sinh y)2

but the problem of y variable still hold !

can i say that :
( sin x ) 2 + ( sinh y)2 >= ( sin x ) 2 ?

Sure you can. sinh(y)^2>=0. Just because it's the square of something.
 
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Dick said:
Sure you can. sinh(y)^2>=0. Just because it's the square of something.

so , then i can say that

│sin z │2 >= ( sin x ) 2

taking square root to both sides gives

│sin z │>= │sin x│

did it finish ?
 
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shnaiwer said:
so , then i can say that

│sin z │2 >= ( sin x ) 2

taking square root to both sides gives

│sin z │>= │sin x│

did it finish ?

That's fine. But you don't sound very sure of yourself?
 
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Dick said:
That's fine. But you don't sound very sure of yourself?
may be ... thank you very much ...
 

FAQ: Proving the Modulus of sin(z) is Greater or Equal to sin(x)

What is the modulus of a complex number?

The modulus of a complex number is its distance from the origin on the complex plane. It is calculated by taking the square root of the sum of the squares of the real and imaginary components of the number.

How is the modulus of sin(z) related to sin(x)?

The modulus of sin(z) is always greater than or equal to the modulus of sin(x). This is because the complex number z can be represented as z = x + iy, where x is the real part and iy is the imaginary part. The modulus of sin(z) is equal to the absolute value of sin(x) times the absolute value of cos(iy). Since cos(iy) is always less than or equal to 1, the modulus of sin(z) will always be greater than or equal to the modulus of sin(x).

How is this relationship proven mathematically?

This relationship can be proven using the triangle inequality property, which states that for any complex numbers a and b, the modulus of a + b is less than or equal to the sum of the moduli of a and b. By applying this property to the complex numbers sin(x) and cos(iy), we can show that the modulus of sin(z) is greater than or equal to the modulus of sin(x).

Why is it important to prove the modulus of sin(z) is greater than or equal to sin(x)?

Proving this relationship is important in many areas of mathematics and science. It is used in complex analysis to analyze the behavior of functions, and it is also important in physics and engineering for understanding the properties of waves and vibrations. Additionally, it is a fundamental concept in trigonometry and calculus.

Are there any exceptions to this relationship?

No, there are no exceptions to this relationship. The modulus of sin(z) will always be greater than or equal to the modulus of sin(x) for any complex numbers z and x. This relationship holds true for all values of x and y, and for all values of the modulus of sin(z).

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