Pulley Problem / Coupled Motion Question

In summary, the conversation discusses a standard pulley problem set up where a mass of 2.00 kg is placed on top of a table with a frictionless surface and attached to a hanging mass of 10.0 kg by a string. The question is what will be the tension in the string if the mass on the table is held at rest. The problem is solved using the sum of forces in the x and y dimensions, but the person asking the question is confused about why the logic does not work in this scenario. The expert explains that the force of the hand holding the mass on the table is not taken into account, and the net force in both x and y dimensions is zero. The tension in the string is equal to
  • #1
johnsonandrew
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I have a question about a question; I know how to solve it, but I want to know why I can't do something to get the answer:


Problem is:

Standard pulley problem setup. A mass, M, equaling 2.00 kg is on top of a table with a frictionless surface. A second mass, m, equaling 10.0 kg, is attached to it by a string and hanging off the table by a pulley. What will the tension in the string be if someone holds M at rest?

Attempt:

M= 2 kg
m= 10 kg
Ffriction= 0
Ftension= ?

Fxtotal= 0
Fytotal=0

Fxtotal= Ft - Ff
why does 0 = Ft - 0 not work ?


I know that would mean Ft would have to equal zero, and I know that's not the answer. Why is Fxtotal not zero? Or is the problem something else...

Sum of Forces, x, = m*a, and acceleration is zero because the system is not moving, right? What's wrong with this logic...
 
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You are leaving out the force of the hand holding block M.

Net force is zero, in both x and y dimensions. There is no friction. The tension at one end of the string must balance the weight of the hanging mass. The tension at the other end of the string must the be balanced by the hand.
 
  • #3
Chi Meson said:
You are leaving out the force of the hand holding block M.

Net force is zero, in both x and y dimensions. There is no friction. The tension at one end of the string must balance the weight of the hanging mass. The tension at the other end of the string must the be balanced by the hand.

Ohh yeahhhh. I knew it didn't make sense. Thanks a lot for clearing that up
 
  • #4
As m is at rest, the net force on it is zero. Hence, tension in the string = mg.
 

FAQ: Pulley Problem / Coupled Motion Question

What is a pulley?

A pulley is a simple machine that consists of a wheel with a groove around its circumference and a rope or belt that runs through the groove. It is used to lift or move heavy objects by reducing the amount of force needed to move them.

What is a coupled motion question?

A coupled motion question is a type of physics problem that involves two or more objects connected by a pulley system and moving together. The motion of one object affects the motion of the others, and the goal is to determine the relationship between their velocities, accelerations, and forces.

How do you solve a pulley problem?

To solve a pulley problem, you first need to identify the forces acting on each object and draw a free body diagram for each one. Then, use Newton's laws of motion to set up equations for the forces and solve for the unknown variables. It is important to carefully consider the direction and magnitude of each force to correctly solve the problem.

What are the common mistakes made when solving coupled motion questions?

One common mistake when solving coupled motion questions is forgetting to consider the mass and acceleration of the pulley. Another mistake is not correctly identifying the direction of the forces acting on each object. It is also important to pay attention to the signs of the variables in the equations and use proper units in calculations.

How can you check if your solution to a pulley problem is correct?

To check if your solution to a pulley problem is correct, you can use the equations of motion to calculate the values of the variables and compare them to the values you obtained in your solution. You can also plug in the values into the equations and see if they satisfy the conditions of the problem, such as the tension in the rope being equal on both sides of the pulley.

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