QED Renormalization Counterterm Confusion

In summary, when Peskin evaluates the renormalization condition for QED, he sets ##q^2=0## in the full propagator including counterterm, but the ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu}## term is still present.
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Hey all,
When looking at the renormalization conditions for QED (see page 332, equation 10.40 from Peskin), there is a condition that requires the photon propagator at ##q^2 = 0## to evaluate to 0. But looking at the expression for the photon propagator counterterm: ##-i(g^{\mu\nu}q^2 - q^{\mu}q^{\nu})\delta_{3}##, can I not rewrite ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu} = g^{\mu\nu}q_{\nu}q^{\nu} = g^{\mu\nu}q^{2}## and then the entire counterterm just disappears?
 
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thatboi said:
Hey all,
When looking at the renormalization conditions for QED (see page 332, equation 10.40 from Peskin), there is a condition that requires the photon propagator at ##q^2 = 0## to evaluate to 0. But looking at the expression for the photon propagator counterterm: ##-i(g^{\mu\nu}q^2 - q^{\mu}q^{\nu})\delta_{3}##, can I not rewrite ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu} = g^{\mu\nu}q_{\nu}q^{\nu} = g^{\mu\nu}q^{2}## and then the entire counterterm just disappears?
Try writing your expression for the second term explicitly. What you wrote was
##\displaystyle q^{\mu} q^{\nu} = \left ( \sum_{\nu} g^{\mu \nu} q_{\nu} \right ) q^{\nu} = g^{\mu \nu} \left ( \sum_{\nu} q_{\nu} q^{\nu} \right ) = g^{\mu \nu} q^2##

Does this make sense?

-Dan
 
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thatboi said:
can I not rewrite ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu} = g^{\mu\nu}q_{\nu}q^{\nu} = g^{\mu\nu}q^{2}##
You need another index
##q^{\mu}q^{\nu} = g^{\mu\tau}q_{\tau}q^{\nu}## which is not equal to ##g^{\mu\nu}q^{2}##
 
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Great, thanks a lot. As a followup question (let me know if I should make a new thread for this): For the renormalization condition Peskin evaluates the photon propagator at ##q^2 =0##, how do I deal with the ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu}## term?
 
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What do you mean by "deal with"
 
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malawi_glenn said:
What do you mean by "deal with"
As in equation (10.44) of Peskin's book. To get the counterterm ##\delta_{3}##, they set ##q^2=0## in the full propagator including counterterm, but then what happens to the ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu}## term?
 
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Great, thanks a lot. As a followup question (let me know if I should make a new thread for this): For the renormalization condition Peskin evaluates the photon propagator at ##q^2 =0##, how do I deal with the ##q^{\mu}q^{\nu}## term?
The photon is a gauge boson. That implies Ward-Takahashi identities which tell you that there is no mass generated by loop corrections and there's also no mass counterterm necessary to renormalize the photon propagator, i.e., there's only a wave-function renormalizing counter term. This implies that the photon-polarization tensor (aka photon self-energy tensor) is of the form
$$\Pi^{\mu \nu}(k)=k^2 \Pi(k) \left (g^{\mu \nu}-\frac{k^{\mu} k^{\nu}}{k^2} \right).$$
The Dyson equation then tells you that the photon propagor reads
$$D_{\gamma \perp}^{\mu \nu} = -\frac{\Theta^{\mu \nu}(k)}{k^2 (1-\Pi(k))}+D_{\gamma 0 \parallel}^{\mu \nu},$$
i.e., the longitudinal part is non-interacting, and the longitudinal photons are unphysical gauge-dependend pieces, which don't participate in any physical quantities, which are gauge invariant.

For details, see Sect. 6.6 in

https://itp.uni-frankfurt.de/~hees/publ/lect.pdf

where I used the particularly elegant and simple background-field gauge description of QED.
 
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FAQ: QED Renormalization Counterterm Confusion

What is QED renormalization and why is it necessary?

QED (Quantum Electrodynamics) renormalization is a process used to remove infinities that arise in the calculations of physical quantities. It is necessary because the raw calculations in QED often lead to infinite results, which are not physically meaningful. Renormalization systematically redefines these quantities (like charge and mass) to obtain finite, physically meaningful results that can be compared with experiments.

What are counterterms in the context of QED renormalization?

Counterterms are additional terms introduced into the Lagrangian of a quantum field theory, such as QED, to cancel the infinities that appear in loop calculations. These terms adjust the bare parameters (like bare charge and bare mass) to ensure that the physical (renormalized) parameters remain finite and match observed values.

How do you determine the counterterms in QED?

Counterterms in QED are determined through a process called renormalization conditions or renormalization schemes. Typically, one calculates the divergent parts of loop diagrams and introduces counterterms that cancel these divergences. The specific values of the counterterms are fixed by requiring that certain physical quantities (like the electron's charge and mass) match their experimentally observed values at a chosen renormalization point.

Why is there confusion surrounding the concept of counterterms in QED renormalization?

The confusion often arises because the process of renormalization involves several abstract and technical steps, including the regularization of infinities, the introduction of counterterms, and the renormalization conditions. Additionally, different renormalization schemes (like on-shell, minimal subtraction, etc.) can be used, which might lead to different intermediate steps even though the final physical predictions remain the same. This can make the process appear more complicated than it is, especially to those new to the field.

Can you provide an example of a counterterm in QED renormalization?

An example of a counterterm in QED is the mass counterterm. In the renormalized Lagrangian, the mass term of the electron is adjusted by adding a counterterm δm to the bare mass m0. This is done to ensure that the physical mass m (which is observed experimentally) is finite. Mathematically, this can be written as m0 = m + δm, where δm is chosen to cancel the infinities arising from loop corrections to the electron's self-energy.

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