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- In an experimental setup where three Stern-Gerlach measurements were done successively, the rate at which the detector clicks was given as 25%, however my result is off by a factor of two (12,5%).
Why don't we need to take the absolute-squared of the end result to find the probability?
Does the most correct mathematical description of the Stern-Gerlach experiment involve using projection operators of spatial coordinates?
I'm trying to understand how exactly we calculate the detection rate in this specific multiple Stern-Gerlach setup.
As written on the image, an (unpolarized) atomic beam is sent through a three Stern-Gerlach apparatuses, and the detector supposedly clicks 25% of the time.
When I try to calculate the click-rate, I come across a different answer, and I am not sure if I'm wrong, or the above statement of 25% clicks are wrong.
Here is my reasoning. Could you please tell me where my mistake is? Thank you!
I make this calculation:
initial beam (unpolarized)
$$| \psi_i \rangle = \frac{1}{ \sqrt2 } ( | + \rangle + | - \rangle ) $$
after the first z-gate
$$| \psi_j \rangle = | + \rangle \langle + \psi | \psi_i \rangle = \frac{1}{ \sqrt2 } | + \rangle $$
after the x-gate:
$$ | \psi_k \rangle = | +_x \rangle \langle +_x | \psi_j \rangle = \frac{1}{2} | +_x \rangle \langle +_x | ( | +_x \rangle + | -_x \rangle ) = \frac{1}{2} | +_x \rangle $$
after the second z-gate:
$$ | \psi_l \rangle = | - \rangle \langle - | \psi_k \rangle = \frac{1}{2 \sqrt2 } | - \rangle \langle - | ( | + \rangle + | - \rangle ) = \frac{1}{2 \sqrt2} | - \rangle $$
At the detector (measurement):
$$ \langle \psi_l | \psi_l \rangle = \frac{1}{8} $$
Which would mean the detector would click 12,5% percent of the time.
(This result is only off by a factor of two, which, maybe was forgotten in the uppermost image, because they assumed an incoming beam of spin-up polarized atoms?)
However, it also confuses me that the probability to measure a state should actually be absolute-squared of the bra-ket, meaning the detector should click 1/64 of the time. I know that this result would definitely be wrong, but I don't understand WHY it is wrong.
$$| \langle \psi_l | \psi_l \rangle |^2 = \frac{1}{64} $$
Finally, it was shown to us, that the true mathematical description of the states in the Stern-Gerlach experiment, one needs to consider entangled states between the spatial (upward/downward beam) and the spin (spin up/down), such as in the picture below:
I don't understand how exactly one would make calculations using this special wave function.
$$ | \psi \rangle = \frac{1}{ \sqrt2 } ( | +z \rangle | + \rangle + | -z \rangle | - \rangle ) $$
Does the most correct mathematical description of the Stern-Gerlach experiment involve using a spatial-coordinate projector?
$$ P = | +z \rangle \langle +z | $$
As written on the image, an (unpolarized) atomic beam is sent through a three Stern-Gerlach apparatuses, and the detector supposedly clicks 25% of the time.
When I try to calculate the click-rate, I come across a different answer, and I am not sure if I'm wrong, or the above statement of 25% clicks are wrong.
Here is my reasoning. Could you please tell me where my mistake is? Thank you!
I make this calculation:
initial beam (unpolarized)
$$| \psi_i \rangle = \frac{1}{ \sqrt2 } ( | + \rangle + | - \rangle ) $$
after the first z-gate
$$| \psi_j \rangle = | + \rangle \langle + \psi | \psi_i \rangle = \frac{1}{ \sqrt2 } | + \rangle $$
after the x-gate:
$$ | \psi_k \rangle = | +_x \rangle \langle +_x | \psi_j \rangle = \frac{1}{2} | +_x \rangle \langle +_x | ( | +_x \rangle + | -_x \rangle ) = \frac{1}{2} | +_x \rangle $$
after the second z-gate:
$$ | \psi_l \rangle = | - \rangle \langle - | \psi_k \rangle = \frac{1}{2 \sqrt2 } | - \rangle \langle - | ( | + \rangle + | - \rangle ) = \frac{1}{2 \sqrt2} | - \rangle $$
At the detector (measurement):
$$ \langle \psi_l | \psi_l \rangle = \frac{1}{8} $$
Which would mean the detector would click 12,5% percent of the time.
(This result is only off by a factor of two, which, maybe was forgotten in the uppermost image, because they assumed an incoming beam of spin-up polarized atoms?)
However, it also confuses me that the probability to measure a state should actually be absolute-squared of the bra-ket, meaning the detector should click 1/64 of the time. I know that this result would definitely be wrong, but I don't understand WHY it is wrong.
$$| \langle \psi_l | \psi_l \rangle |^2 = \frac{1}{64} $$
Finally, it was shown to us, that the true mathematical description of the states in the Stern-Gerlach experiment, one needs to consider entangled states between the spatial (upward/downward beam) and the spin (spin up/down), such as in the picture below:
I don't understand how exactly one would make calculations using this special wave function.
$$ | \psi \rangle = \frac{1}{ \sqrt2 } ( | +z \rangle | + \rangle + | -z \rangle | - \rangle ) $$
Does the most correct mathematical description of the Stern-Gerlach experiment involve using a spatial-coordinate projector?
$$ P = | +z \rangle \langle +z | $$
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