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Is it worthwhile for a retired highschool teacher of Physics to learn the STOR using quaternions?
Probably not.grzz said:TL;DR Summary: Quaternions and Secial Relativity
Is it worthwhile for a retired highschool teacher of Physics to learn the STOR using quaternions?
grzz said:Is it worthwhile for a retired highschool teacher of Physics to learn the STOR using quaternions?
Source:Time is said to have only one dimension, and space to have three dimensions. ... The mathematical quaternion partakes of both these elements; in technical language it may be said to be "time plus space", or "space plus time": and in this sense it has, or at least involves a reference to, four dimensions. ... And how the One of Time, of Space the Three, Might in the Chain of Symbols girdled be.
— William Rowan Hamilton (circa 1853)[45]
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Neither matrices nor quaternions and ordinary vectors were banished from these ten [additional] chapters. For, in spite of the uncontested power of the modern Tensor Calculus, those older mathematical languages continue, in my opinion, to offer conspicuous advantages in the restricted field of special relativity.
— Ludwik Silberstein (1924)[48]
Oops, that's a misattribution, since special relativity was first published in 1905. According to Wikipedia, the quote is actually due to Ludwik Silberstein in 1924. And this more modern quotation is telling:Sagittarius A-Star said:— Oliver Heaviside (1893)[47]
Neither matrices nor quaternions and ordinary vectors were banished from these ten [additional] chapters. For, in spite of the uncontested power of the modern Tensor Calculus, those older mathematical languages continue, in my opinion, to offer conspicuous advantages in the restricted field of special relativity.
Thanks! I corrected the attribution in my citation of Wikipedia.renormalize said:Oops, that's a misattribution, since special relativity was first published in 1905. According to Wikipedia, the quote is actually due to Ludwik Silberstein in 1924.
Yes, quaternions are quite often used in computer graphics and in general numerical code for spatial calculations as they have some advantages over e.g. 3x3 rotation matrices, e.g. compared to rotation matrices its cheaper to compose quaternions, but more expensive to rotate vectors. But it really depends on what you are going to use it for. It is fairly common for a program that need the benefits of both notations to actually employ both, especially since converting between them is fairly straight forward and somewhat cheap.grzz said:For example, did quaternions find some use in computer software?
Unfortunately, in order to produce hyperbolic rotations (i.e. Lorentz transformations), ordinary quaternions don't suffice. You have to use complexified quaternions, better known as Biquaternions.grzz said:My interest is not to start learning SR using quaternions. But, having learnt a bit of SR using four-vectors, one may feel inclined to see how this can be done using quaternions.
Quaternions are used in keeping track of orientations of a moving object (like a simulated airplane) in 3-space. The alternative is Euler angles, which suffer from the problem of "gimbal lock". If an airplane points straight up, the Euler angles become multiply defined, whereas quaternions do not.grzz said:For example, did quaternions find some use in computer software?
Is it possible for somebody to send me p26 of the above book by J L Synge because this page in my copy is very faint.Histspec said:Unfortunately, in order to produce hyperbolic rotations (i.e. Lorentz transformations), ordinary quaternions don't suffice. You have to use complexified quaternions, better known as Biquaternions.
A good introduction was given by the great mathematician John Lighton Synge:
"Quaternions, Lorentz transformations, and the Conway–Dirac–Eddington matrices"
Since your copy is from their website, you might try contacting the library at the Dublin Institute for Advanced Studies directly.grzz said:Is it possible for somebody to send me p26 of the above book by J L Synge because this page in my copy is very faint.
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On p. 26 we find the inverse of formula 5.17:grzz said:Is it possible for somebody to send me p26 of the above book by J L Synge because this page in my copy is very faint.
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A big THANK YOU!Histspec said:On p. 26 we find the inverse of formula 5.17:
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grzz said:TL;DR Summary: Quaternions and Secial Relativity
Is it worthwhile for a retired highschool teacher of Physics to learn the STOR using quaternions?
I ask again.Vanadium 50 said:Is there a single problem in SR that is easier to solve with quaternions?
Here is p26.grzz said:Is it possible for somebody to send me p26 of the above book by J L Synge because this page in my copy is very faint.
Thanks